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Mrs. John Lambing,&#13;
Mrs. J. L. O'Connor,&#13;
Miss Fralie Brennan,&#13;
&#13;
My dear kind friends, with grateful hearts we acknowledge the receipt of your kind letter, also last received per Express. &#13;
Your kind words and substantial proof of friendship are highly appreciated by our poor Sisters who were saved; also by our entire Community who gratefully remember you in their prayers. Some of the rescued Sisters are still in Johnstown helping as best they can. The others are here and with our young lady pupils, busily engaged in making clothing, and shipping to the poor "Valley" sufferers.&#13;
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Dear Rev Father,&#13;
With the divine assistance we will be in Blairsville January 7th 1873.&#13;
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The following interview is conducted as a part of the oral history program of the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. It is taking place at Assumption Hall on October the twentieth, nineteen hundred eighty-two. The interviewee is Sister M. Honora Steiner, and the interviewer is Sister&#13;
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SMPG: Sister Honora, tell us something about yourself.	your early life before you came to&#13;
Seton Hill.&#13;
SHS: I was born on January eleventh, nineteen hundred two in Germany( I couldn't make out the name of the city). My father was: Mr. Honora Steiner, and my mother was Theresa Steiner Wickerman. I had three brothers. Two of them were killed in the first world war, and my brother, Tom, died at the age of twenty-two. I had four sisters: Francesca, Barbara, M(couldn't determine), and Theresa. Theresa is still in Germany. The first three went to heaven. I came to Seton Hill in nineteen twenty-three to become a Sister of Charity.&#13;
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SMPG: Why did you leave Germany?&#13;
SHS: One day I went down to the Villa to a meeting. (I believe this was with the Pastor). The Pastor asked me ifl had decided to become a Sister and ifl had chosen the Community. I said yes that I wanted to become a Sister, but had not chosen the Community. He then asked me if I would like to go to America?	I said I will think today about it and later gave him the answer, yes.&#13;
SMPG: Did you know any Sister of Charity?&#13;
SHS: I knew about Sister Maria Francesca Umauer. Sister Maria Francesca's father and brothers and sisters I have known, so I thought I would know someone at Seton Hill. My parents gave me permission to go. They were happy that I wanted to be a Sister. My parents wrote to Seton Hill and asked if they would accept German girls in their Community.	The answer was "Yes". So, Sister M. Margretta Bernlohr, Sister Maria Gratia Burgmaier, and Sister Rose Gonzaga Wieland and I came to Seton Hill in nineteen twenty-three. We were very happy.&#13;
Sister Maria Francesca, Sister Margretta, Sister Maria Gratia, and Sister Rose Gonzaga have all gone to heaven. I'm the only German Sister still living in the community.&#13;
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SMPG: Did you ever return to Germany?&#13;
SHS: Yes, I was allowed to go home three times to visit my sister and their families.	Sr. Rose Gonzaga and I went in nineteen fifty-one, for the the first time. We were very happy to make the trip.&#13;
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SHS: After I completed my college education, I became a teacher. I taught German, History, Religion, and (I couldn't make one subject out). My missions were: St. Luke's, Carnegie, St. James, West End, St. John the Baptist on Liberty Avenue, and Elizabeth Seton High School in Brookline. I was very happy to be a teacher.&#13;
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SMPG: When did you come to Assumption Hall?&#13;
SHS: I came to Assumption Hall in nineteen eighty-one. I now am in the Apostolate of prayer for the sisters who are still teaching and nursing. I also am involved in the Apostlolate of canceled stamps. I am glad that I became a Sister of Charity. God has been very good to me, and I thank Him for all He has done for me.&#13;
SMPG: Thank you, Sister Honora. Your life has been a very full life as a Sister of Charity.&#13;
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Sister Marie Arthur Hamilton: I completed the transcription of the oral history of Sister M. Honora Steiner on November fifteenth, two thousand twelve (2012).&#13;
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Sister Mary Editha Springer was born on May 26th, 1906 in Carrolltown, Pa. Daughter of Thomas P. Springer and Elizabeth C. Reig, Delrose Frances Springer entered the community on September 8th, 1926 at the age of 20 as Sister Mary Editha Springer. &#13;
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Sister Mary Editha was an intermediate teacher for 10 years and an upper elementary teacher for 10 years. She taught at St. John the Evangelist in Southside of Pittsburgh, St. James School in Wilkinsburg, Sacred Heart in Shadyside, St. Paul School in Greensburg and the Tucson Dioceses. She taught history at Seton Hill College in the summer sessions from 1940-1944, 1950-1952, and 1955-1960. &#13;
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She received her B.A. of English with a minor in Social Studies from Duquesne University in 1940. She received her M.A. of American History from Duquesne in 1950 and then went to Seton Hill College in 1952 for Fundamentals of Art. In 1968, she received her Elementary School Librarian Certification from St. Francis College. She was an administrator in elementary for 16 years and was an elementary librarian for 2 years. &#13;
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This interview is being conducted as part of the Oral History Program of the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. The interviewee is Sister Rose Marie Schneider. The interviewer is Sister Sara Louise Reilly. The interview is being conducted at Assumption Hall where Sister Rose Marie lives. The date is Wednesday , February 2, 1983.&#13;
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SSL: Good morning, Sr. Rose Marie. SRM: Good morning.&#13;
SSL:	I'm happy to be here with you this morning for this special occasion that both of us have&#13;
been waiting for. Sr. Rose Marie, the psalmist says that seventy is the sum of your years, or eighty if you are strong. So you are one of those strong people of whom the psalmist speaks. I think that you are somewhat past the age of eighty and you're a very active person, a very interesting person; and we'd like to hear something about your life. First of all, your life before you became a Sister of Charity and then many of the interesting things that you have to tell us about your life as a Sister of Charity. To begin then, would you like to tell us something about your family and your early life, your education, and anything else you'd like to share with us.&#13;
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SRM: My life started at Wilkinsburg, in St. James Parish and for the five years I went to the Catholic school at St. James School. Then I went to the public school for my sixth, seventh and eighth grades.  And after, I took music from Sr. Estelle Lowe, sister of  Mother Aloysia Lowe. Sister broke her leg, and went to Pittsburgh Hospital and I visited her there.  She invited me to Seton Hill to visit her when she was recuperating.  And so,  in June 1912, I took my first ride to Seton Hill to see Sr. Estelle. While I was there she asked me if I would like to come to the Academy. I said, naturally,"Yes ." She sent me to Sr. Francesca, and there, Sr. Francesca interviewed me; she said she would send some information to my parents. When I told my parents that Sister had, ah, asked me if I wanted to go to the Academy my parents said, "How can I send you to a boarding  school? " Well, that was in June; in August my mother said to me, "Do you still want to go to Seton Hill to school?" I said, "Oh, yes." Well, she said, "Papa and I are going there to see what we can do about it." And unfortunately, or fortunately, they told the sisters that I might want to be a Sister. I had never thought about being a Sister as far as I know.&#13;
Well, anyhow , I did go to Seton Hill in September of 1912. Now while I was, ah, the reason that I think that my parents got that idea was that I had been going to Mass every morning. That was through the influence of my mother and one time she said to me on a Saturday morning that I didn't go to Mass, "Mary Gorham, across the street is just coming home from Mass and here you are still in bed."  So you can see how there is this  influence in my family. My family was a very staunch Catholic family . My mother was Irish, my father was German; so they did have quite an influence in my early life. So then, finally I went to Seton Hill and every time that I would do anything that was well.	wrong,&#13;
the Sisters would say, "You can't be a Sister if you do that." Well, anyhow, we had a very joyful time. However, it was during that time that I became homesick and we had ah, Sister Raphael as our angel.&#13;
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SRM: Yes , and she said "I think you'd better go home before you forget." Well, anyhow , I&#13;
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forgot. And I stayed on until ah, that -- &#13;
But, during that time I had some very influential teachers . Sr. Electa who was a very good friend of mine, taught English. Sr. Bertha taught me Latin; Sr. Stanislaus, history; Sr., ah, er, Miss Mehan.. May Mehan.. Domestic Sciences, it was called then; then we had Sr. Mary Matthew in the ah...&#13;
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SRM: Dormitories . And she, one of the little incidences about her. . . One of the rules was that we had to make our own beds, and if we didn't do them properly she would tear them all apart and we'd have to make them all over again. Well, that was Sr. Mary Matthew. But, anyhow . . . we were obedient and did them as we were told, like that. Then during that year I had some, ah. . . we only had seventy in our class. Mary Timon who was Mother Victoria Brown's niece --&#13;
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SSL:		Not her niece, would she have been her niece or her aunt? Mother Victoria was her, Mary's niece.&#13;
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SRM: Sister, Mary Timon was Mother Victoria 's SSL:	Victoria 's aunt&#13;
SRM: Mary Timon was Mother's niece. SSL:	Was she?&#13;
SRM: Mary Timon was Mother's niece. SSL:	Oh, I thought she was her aunt.&#13;
SRM:   No, she was her niece.  Then we had Edith Henry who became later Sr. Rose de Lima. Sr. Rose de Lima was a very brilliant person. She was always. . . one thing connected with Sr. Rose de Lima. . . she used to come up in the evenings to visit when she was a day student and she'd bring Ruth, who became Sr. Columba , with her. Sr. Rose de Lima would spend her time with Sr. Stanislaus, and I would spend time entertaining Ruth.&#13;
Well, then also in our class we had Madeline Kenvey from Scottdale and we had Linda Whitehouse from Pittsburgh. I can't remember too many details of my high school life. There was one little incident; we used to play tennis. Oh, by the way, Sr. Fabian was our gym teacher.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, and she taught. I have liked basketball ever since that time because she was a very interesting person and our, ah.. athletics. . . We did a lot of sled riding; we had hay riding and we had tennis. Now, I remember an incident with tennis. Mother, er, Sr. Estelle was walking past with a pansy in her hand and she had just been over to Mother Aloysia 's grave and picked this pansy from there.  She gave that pansy to me and I put that pansy in a book and pressed it.  I had that pansy for years until it got so fragile that I didn't have it any longer. But that was really the only thing I remember of having contact with&#13;
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Sr. Estelle until. . . Oh, I don't remember any other incidents with her.&#13;
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SSL:	Sister Rose Marie, you mentioned several of the sisters who taught you in the Academy, are there any incidences about any of those sisters that you would like to tell me about.&#13;
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SRM:   Well, the two who came to my, to our home, were Sr. Francesca, Sr. Stanislaus and Sr.&#13;
Marie Francesca who we would call "Schwester".  They were going to school in Pittsburgh and my father had just bought an automobile. They wanted to go to Seton Hill and they asked me if I would get my father to take them. We did take them up and on our way we almost had a serious accident with a motorcycle. Naturally, my father was just learning to drive a car, and things were a little precarious on the highways at the time, especially the serpentine road that became Lincoln Highway from Pittsburgh to Greensburg. But however, my father survived that. I became very close to Sr. Stanislaus and to "Schwester". Finally; Sr. Stanislaus became my sponsor to the community. But, anyhow, oh, all these things happened in high school.  When I finished in 1917 I graduated from high school. Mother Mary Joseph, who was our Mother Superior at the time , called me a slacker because I didn't petition to be a Sister after being there for four years. However, I went home and I took a commercial course at the Pittsburgh Academy with a group of students that Mother Claudia, she was Sister Claudia at the time, brought from Sacred Heart to Seton Hill to visit and I was one of the seniors that helped to entertain that group.  When I went home I became very close with that group and we  used to meet during the two years that I was at home. We'd meet at different homes and one of them was a sister to Mary Butler who was, in fact, a Sister herself- - became a Mercy Sister. One of these meetings she asked me to come early and said, "I have something to tell you," and I said, " I have something to tell you, too."	And so, when I went, I went early and she took me up to her room and showed me her trunk. She said, "See my trunk." She said, "I'm going to be a Sister."&#13;
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SRM: That was Mary Butler's sister. Mary Butler was a sister, a Sister of Mercy. SSL:	Oh, I see.&#13;
SRM: So this is Gertrude Butler, or I mean Teresita Butler, who is now Sr. Gertrude. She entered.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, She's still living. She is not very well.  She is living, I think at the Mercy Hospital, as far as I understand. But, anyhow, I told her then that I was going to be a Sister and was going to Seton Hill. And she said, "Maybe I would have gone to Seton Hill had I known you were going," because she was a student at Sacred Heart and knew the Sisters so well, "I might have gone with you." However, she didn't. Fr. Gilbert, was really a friend of that group and he used to meet with us. And that night we had a conversation about going to the convent. Anyhow, 1919 I entered Seton Hill.&#13;
When I finally told my father that I was going to be a Sister, he seemed to be sad. Even after having made that statement that he thought I was going to be one. Anyhow , when I came Sr. Gabriella . . .&#13;
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SRM: Noble... was the portress; and after his first or second visit he said, "I'm happy now." He said to Sister, "Sister's happy." This started my, really my community life.&#13;
My first Christmas in the Congregation was spent in quarantine. I was alone, a month. That was my beginning.  Sister Mercedes Bradley had said that morning I had this temperature, and she said, "Oh, don't go to the infirmary until after Mass because we want to go to the community room after Mass and see what we find on our chair because each one had a chair with little presents, holy cards and etc. for Christmas . And well, after Mass she said, "Go to the infirmary," because I was burning up. Finally, they put me in quarantine. That was Sister Mercedes; she was very sorry that she had really told me to go because I was worse than I might have been otherwise.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, she was in novitiate; she was one of the seniors in the novitiate.  She died not too very long afterwards. She didn't live to be an old Sister. From then on, I've had a very interesting community life. I've pioneered in four different fields. I began with Sister Rose Angela and Sr. Anselma; we opened the Home Economics Dept. That was my first pioneering. Then we opened the Confraternity  program in Westmoreland  County in 1929; and that was the beginning of a program. Then I did family visiting in Greensburg , in St. Benedict's, which was a first for a parish.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, and Fr. Linus was the pastor at the time; Fr. Marchan, who was a pastor at Sacred Heart when I was at the hospital, was the assistant and Fr. James, who was the pastor at Ascension Church when I was at Jeannette Hospital, was an assistant. And then I pioneered in the... well. .. in fact I think, Assumption Hall. I came to Assumption Hall six months after it was established and I was not allowed to teach anymore because I had a throat condition.  I wasn't allowed to teach; and so they sent me	and I finally landed at&#13;
Assumption Hall and I was here for five years. And then I pioneered at Jeannette Hospital; I was there for a month before they opened. So, as far as my community life is concerned, I've had quite interesting occasions; each one of them a very fruitful one spiritually because each one gave me the opportunity to work with people. I worked with people all my community life. My teaching at Seton Hill was interrupted twice. I should say, too, that we pioneered in the Home Economics Dept. down at St. Mary's where we took over the Boys School.&#13;
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SRM: Well, yes. It was really the pioneering in the college dept. because we. . . ah, see we...&#13;
Home Economics was just in the high school at the time. When we opened at St. Mary's it really was Miss Sanders. . . .&#13;
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SSL:		It was a college department in Maura Hall and then it moved to St. Mary's and you were one of the ones who helped to establish the Department at St. Mary's. You mentioned Miss Sanders; I remember she was one of the early members.&#13;
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SRM: Well, she was the head of the dept. for several years until Sisters Ann Elizabeth took over.&#13;
I don't know if this is an interesting story or not; maybe I shouldn't mention it.&#13;
While I was. . . how I got to be an Home Economics teacher; my mother had been ill, and I had to, before I entered, I had to keep house and my father bragged to the sisters how well I kept house when my mother was away. My mother had to go away for awhile after she had pneumonia and I kept house for my father. And he bragged about that to Sr.&#13;
Francesca. When she wanted to find somebody to send away to take Home Economics, she picked me. She sent me in my. . .well, I was working at Seton Hill to get my degree at Seton Hill. Why. . .ah... in my junior year at college, she sent me to Columbia to start to get work in ah... .&#13;
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SRM: Home Economics, it was especially in management and the title of the course was called Scientific Management. So, I had a year of my Master's work before I finished my Bachelor's work at Seton Hill.  It was really at Seton Hill that my interest in life, my interest in my real life's work started	at St. Mary's in Home Management.&#13;
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and he was working in marble. He was the one who chiseled the names that are now in front of St. Joseph's Chapel at Seton Hill. Anyhow, he was visiting there and somebody had painted the hearth of our good mantlepiece in St. Mary's and I asked him how I could take off the paint. He said it would take a lot of elbow grease and it would take abrasives and it would take time.  So that was just a matter of conversation.  When he was leaving he said, "Do you want me to help you take that paint off? And I said, "Do something for yourself," because he had in his conversation,  bragged that he had been an altar boy; and now he didn't even go to Mass. He was now twenty-one or two years old.  And I said to him, "Well, you can't do anything for me until you do something for yourself." "And, what's that?" he said. I said, "Well, you just go back to Church and be a good boy." Well, he did. The next Saturday he went to Confession to receive Communion and then he came up and worked with the mantle. He brought with him a boyfriend who was twenty­ four years old and had never made his First Holy Communion. He said, "Would you instruct him for his First Holy Communion while I take the paint off?" So I did. Well, anyhow, eight months later he came to Seton Hill to visit me and he said, "I want you to meet my wife. "Your wife," I said, "You never told me you were going steady with anybody." Well, he said, "Rose wanted to make her First Holy Communion and her parents wouldn't let her go to Sunday School.  She was 16 years old; they wouldn't  let  her go to make her First Holy Communion and we wanted to get married. The two of us attended a wedding at Ascension Church and we decided to run away. Now we want to be married by the priest."&#13;
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SRM: Yes, that would be fine.&#13;
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SSL:		This morning, I think, if you will, I'd like to go back and have you tell me a little bit about your family before we continue the discussion of your apostolic life within the congregation . You mentioned that your father was German and your mother was Irish. Were they both born here in the United States?&#13;
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SRM: Yes , they were. Mother was, and one of her brothers was born, the only two in the family that were born in this country. The others were born in Ireland. And my father was the youngest one in his family and he was the only one born in this country. And they were born in, I think Bavaria. That's where they were born.  I have been reading a family tree that Fr. Metzler got together,  the family tree of the Metzlers, and you know the Metzlers are Sr. Mary Hubert's family. In that, I learned a great deal about my family that I didn't know before.  But there are a few things that still we can't find; and that is where my mother and father met and were married. I did hear at one time, that my mother lived in what is now the Hill District. At that time, in mother's time, it was Mayor Lawrence and the Harris's; it was an elite place. I just have that memory from the past. . . that mother said she lived there at one time. I don't have any other information about that. But Fr Metzler's family tree has given me some information about my family. First of all, I had, we were seven. . . I am next to the oldest. Vincent was the oldest and I was next. And then we had&#13;
a set of twins that died in infancy and they were buried in St. Mary's Cemetery in Lawrenceville. Fr. found out what the cause of death was and that they were buried. . . .&#13;
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Then Leo came into the family; he had four girls, and Leo, died in 1969; I think it was. And his wife died just a year after, leaving four girls and they are very, very close to me to this day.  And then Jane came along.  When mother died she was in the eighth grade , no, she was in first year high school at Sacred Heart. Then Marian came and she was in the eighth grade. And Vincent sent Jane and Marian to Seton Hill to school to be with me because I had become a Sister. Well, I had been a Sister two and one half years at that time.	Vincent thought it would be good to be under my protection, not my protection exactly, but my care. But I couldn't see them very much because they were in the Academy and I was in Novitiate; I had to get permission to go to visit them. But it was very fortunate that they were there, though, because there was nobody at home to take care of them; mother and dad were both dead.  The family became very close when mother died.  Vincent got the group together and told them that now if we mourn for mother and dad we will be mourning for ourselves. We want to do what mother and dad want us to do and keep together. He was the one that was mother and father to the family and he died in 1972. So that is the make-up of our family. To go back to my father, my father was from West Liberty. Now, I don't have much information about him, except one incident. I don't know if I told you about the incident at DePaul? Did I tell you that before?&#13;
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SRM: My father was a bookkeeper for  Mr. McCafferty.  You may have known  Mabel McCafferty who went to Seton Hill. It was her father . My father was her father's bookkeeper. He accompanied Bishop Canevin to the area in Brookline  to  find a site  for  DePaul Institut e. Sr. Rose Xavier  is writing  the history of DePaul and she told me that my  father is mentioned in the history of DePaul because of that incident.&#13;
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SRM: George Schneider. He had, as far as I know, he had only one brother, Louie and two sisters. When my mother died one of his sisters had been, was a widow, and she came and kept house for four years. Vincent had been really engaged when mother died, but he waited and so did Elizabeth, four years to become married because he had a family to  take care of. I think I did tell you before that my sister-in-law, Elizabeth Hogan, was one of the group that came to Seton Hill with Mother Claudia when I was a senior. After I&#13;
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SRM:   No.  She doesn't have a family.  Vincent and Elizabeth prayed very hard for a child, but  the Lord didn't send them any. We felt, I did particularly, felt that the Lord didn't give him any children because he had a family to take care of after mother died. Then Jane's children and Leo's children became Vincent's grandchildren and he was able, because of his position, to help them in some of their difficulties because you know, the depression came along at that time too. Vincent was able, not having any responsibility for a family of his own, he really did take on the families of ...&#13;
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SRM :  Leo and Jane.  It may have been that the Lord kept him in that way to be able to do that. He was able physically and financially to help them in many cases. In one incidence Jane had a heart opera tion. She was the 150 th heart operation in the United States. The doctor had said that she had 26 months to live. They sent her down to Hanaman ? Hospital in Philadelphia where they were experimenting with heart patients.  There were a few fatalities in the experimental program at the time. Jane always said she lived eight years after the operation and she always said that the Sacred Heart kept her alive. Her doctor said he didn't know why she was living .&#13;
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SRM: Yes, she died in 1960, the year that I went to Jeannette Hospital. SSL:	Do you remember the years of your parents' deaths?&#13;
SRM: Yes, my father died on March,1922 and mother died in January,1923 . SSL:	That's very close together.&#13;
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SRM : Ten months apart; it was very hard. Vincent took on the responsibility very beautif ully, and took on a very wonderful outlook on life for the rest of the family . He was at their attention all during their lives . He died in 1972.&#13;
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SRM : I missed him after that because he made it possible for me to go to see Jane, who was a semi-invalid and she lived in Gary, Indiana . At that time we had  to go, you  know  two and two, and it was getting expensive to go and needing a companion to go each time. I just remember that was one of the first times that the community  allowed  a  sister  to go alone. And another incidence happened; I took Sr. Mary Hubert with me one  time .  We  stayed  at the convent; well it wasn't a convent. We stayed at the hospital, at the nurses'  home.  We found that it was an inconvenience for them to take  care  of  us,  so I  was  allowed  to go alone and I stayed at home. I thought  that was  a privilege, because  that  was  not a custom of the community to do that.&#13;
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SSL :	You mentioned Sr. Mary Hubert; she was your first cousin, wasn 't she?&#13;
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SRM : Yes. Sr. Mary Hube rt's mother and my mother were sisters. Sr. Mary Hubert's mother married Warren Metzler; Warren Metzler's grandson is now the pastor at the Wilkinsburg church.&#13;
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SRM: St. James, Wilkinsburg .&#13;
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SRM:   Sherry, that is	Sr. Mary Hubert's mother's name was Sherry, also. I don't remember if&#13;
I told you or not about the incidence, the Sherrys, in Wilkinsburg. My grandfather bought the property that was supposed to be the property for St. James Convent ,	not convent,&#13;
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SSL :		Sister, would you begin again to tell me again about the purchase of the property for the church in Wilkinsburg .&#13;
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SRM: Well, the church purchased property at 910 South Avenue . When they started to make their plans to build the church, the surrounding families felt that was not the place for a Catholic Church . So, they had to buy elsewhere and they purchased the property at Franklin Avenue where the church is now. At that time they had the school under the church and the church as on the second floor. My father was the last person to be carried to his funeral in that church . Then they started to build the new one.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, I was born in Wilkinsburg, baptized in St. James Church and received my other Sacraments there . I was born on Rebecca Street, where my Uncle Nick Schneider's home was . He was the janitor for the parish; his wife was a Protestant. She was very active, however, in the church becausej   of Uncle Nick's position, job.  Then we moved to&#13;
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My grandfather lived with us there and he died just a year before I entered. I was one of his special nieces ; whenever he would go to Ireland, he would always bring something back for me, and for another cousin who had an accident and had a leg amputation . The two of us were his special nieces.&#13;
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SSL:	Your sister Mary is the sister you visit out in Arizona , isn 't she? SRM: Yes... No. She lives out in San Mattia, CA.&#13;
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SRM: Leo's oldest girl, Anna. She's Mrs. Campbell now. She lives there; she doesn't live too far from where Sr. Harold Ann's mother lives. When I was out there I visited Sr. Harold Ann's mother. She lives in one of the homes for the elderly. Then Jane's two children, Billie and Jane live in CA. Billie is a doctor in nuclear medicine; he seems to be very successful out there. Janie is a housewife, but I learned just a short ago that she took a course in real estate and now she is doing real estate. She is following one of the traditions of the&#13;
family; my father was a real estate man. It is fortunate that Marian is out there because she has really been the mother to those two children. Jane is an invalid; Marian never married and lived with Jane. So, she was really like the mother. Their father said that to me one time .&#13;
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SRM: Jane McLaughlin, she was Mrs. Jane McLaughlin . SSL:	Her husband is also dead?&#13;
SRM: No, my sister lives there with him. You know, for two names to be on the mailbox, at this date . . . but, it is a very satisfactory situation because Marian lived with them for 35 years before Jane died. And so when Jane died, I said to Bill, "Wha t's going to happen to Marian?" He said,"Well she's been with us for 35 years; why, she is going to stay."&#13;
Bill's mother wanted to move in with him; so Marian moved to a furnished apartment. But after Bill retired he couldn't take Marian to work anymore like he was. He had been an executive at the Steel Co. and could take Marian to her office out on Lake Michigan; after work he would bring her home. After he retired he didn't have that privilege of taking her because those mills are miles from their parking lots. It was very hard on Marian's health because she had a condition  they call bronchitis.  So, when Bill retired,  Vincent encouraged Marian  to retire also .  But, she was not old enough and she had only been with Steel Co. 24 years; she had to be there to get a pension.  Through her supervisor   after a year, why, she got a disability pension.  So when they moved out to CA they found an apartment that was very suitable for that type of living. They live in a condominium in San Mattia and are very happy.   Both of them are semi or partially, well not invalid, but  both have difficulties with their health . They are help for each other; it is a 50/50 proposition. Each have their own ideas and ways, but they are very close, like brother and sister and it is really a very beautiful situation.  And it is a consolation  to me because, I can't be near Marian.  She is the only other member of the family living.  However,  she calls me every week, so I am close in that way.&#13;
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SSL:		Thank you Sister for all that wonderful account of a very great family. I think now, if you will, I would like if you would continue with the discussion of your apostolic life in the congregation . And especially, I'd like if you would tell us about the involvement that you had with the Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Greensburg. You made mention of that yesterday, but perhaps you'd like to tell a bit more about it today.&#13;
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SRM: Well, it started first when Fr. Linus asked Mother Claudia if she could send him a Sister to do family visiting and she sent me. I was with Father for six years. We did quite extensive work in the parish because I walked the streets of Greensburg from up where the Chancery is now, to clear over to where St. Paul School is now.  And that you know is, well, I think, the Chancery is very far East from here and St. Paul's is West. I had some very interesting things happen with my family visiting with Fr. Linus. I would visit every family, the poor, the rich, the sick.  I was not a social worker; I was just a family visitor and I would report back to Father and he would take up anything that would be necessary for him to do. We would sometimes go and find somebody a house ; he would be active in doing these things . Sometimes we had to help furnish the houses that we got for these people. There were many occasions that happened . It would take a long time to discuss what happened in the family visiting. But I had six happy years and met very many. There is one thing I would like to mention and that is: if I had to visit any questionable place, I would ask Mrs. Clarence Robertson to go with me, since I was alone. Then another time, about being alone, I was coming up Bryant St. and Fr. Reeves and Bishop Boyle passed me by in a car, but didn't pick me up. So, I walked the hill and when I got up to the top Fr. Reeves met me and said, "You'd better report to the Bishop why you were out alone ." And so I had to report to the Bishop why I was out alone .  Anyhow, so many things happened, it would take too long.&#13;
But the outcome of that was really the establishment of the Catholic Charities, because Fr. Linus was the first Director of Catholic Charities . So I went into the Office of Catholic Charities and worked with Gertrude Wordlaw and with her visited the Pgh.&#13;
Catholic Charities, Roselia Foundling, St. Paul's Orphanage, Toner Institute, and the Good Shepherd Sisters on the Northside and also one in East Libe rty. Then, I went to Torrence with her because we would have to have contact with those in our work.  Going back to  the Little Sisters of the Poor, I had a little incidence there . Before I entered I worked for Shanahan Transfer and Storage Co. Mr. Shanahan wanted to get rid of one of his horses so he sent me to the Little Sisters of the Poor to ask the Sisters if they wanted this horse. So that is something about the Little Sisters of the Poor.&#13;
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SSL:	And so did the Little Sisters take the horse?&#13;
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SRM: They did. And that is really one of, well, one instance of my apostolic work anyhow . SSL:	And that was before you entered?&#13;
SRM:   That was before I entered	the horse.&#13;
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SRM: Oh, yes. I went to Torrence with her, too . We used those services many times during my stay with the Catholic Charities.&#13;
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SRM : It was on North Main Street. It was the second floor in one of those buildings there. I don't know which building, but it was on the second floor of one of those on N. Main St.&#13;
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SRM: No, it wasn 't on the corner; it was on the same side going down, as the church. It was just beyond the bridge.&#13;
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SSL :		I know that before the present Catholic Charities building was built, the Trinitarian Sisters had an office in one of the buildings down there on the corner and I thought that perhaps it was there that you began.&#13;
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SRM : Well, no, I didn't know that building. Our building was just beyond the bridge below the Catholic Church.  While there I was given the responsibility of finding babies for people who wanted to adopt children. I have at the present time, five that I am in contact with of those children. Those children I took to their homes or took the parents to Roselia to pick them up, or wherever we went ... one was from Westmoreland Hospital . Now they are themselves mothers and fathers.  I know them and I visit them.	There is one that is from, oh . . where Sr. Serafina was from.&#13;
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SRM :   Homer City.  The Hamrocks, er no, the Knoches lived there.  I took Andrew and Theresa to Roselia to pick up their child.  I went to her graduation at Indiana, and then later I went  to her wedding ; they had a set of twins.  When the twins were coming the mother called me and said, "I want you to come up to give Miriam some support because she is going to have twins ."  So they came and got me, and they had two lovely boys --- twins.  Before that they had a little girl; she's in, I think upper grades now. In my album I have pictures of Miriam from when she was a baby until now in her home; they have a lovely home in Blairsvi lle.  She is now the secretary for the Blairsville parish, SS. Simon and Jude.  One  of our sisters, who works there now, said she sees Miriam ever so often.  Her husband is   a teacher in the Blairsville school.&#13;
In Brenhauser,  which is part of Blairsville,  I have another, a boy, who was· adopted and came  from Roselia.  They wanted a child and the agency didn't get a child.  I suggested that she take a foster child and then the agency would see how she is with children. There was a baby born at Westmoreland Hospital whose mother and father were going to be married, but they weren't going to marry for 6 mont3hs. So I took the baby to Mrs. Hamrock, just to keep the baby.  Well, in the six months the mother and father came  to get the baby and Josephine was very much upset because she became attached to this baby. It was not too long afterwards that Roselia had a baby, and Richard became their baby from Roselia .&#13;
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SRM : Yes, and they moved away. They moved to the central part of PA.  So Josephine named her baby the same name as the baby she had.  They weren't going to live near anyway  and she named him Richard. I have been to their home several times. One day after Richard was 9 years old, she wanted another baby. By that time she had become too old, because  there was an age limit regarding adopting a baby.  They said you have one and so they didn't get her one.&#13;
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But one day at our festival I saw her with a little baby in a scooter ; I said to her "Where did you get the baby?" She said, "It's mine." And I said, "Well, where did you get it?" I hadn't heard anything about it. She said, "Well, I don't know if the mother died or left them or what, but anyhow she had these two children, a boy and a girl. She had asked the father if she could adopt her... because he couldn't find anybody to take care of them. So she took the little girl. She didn't have the little girl very long when she thought, "Well, why separate the little boy and girl?" So, she adopted the two. Then she had three adopted children . Richard is married and has his own family. Franklin is the&#13;
boy and he is now in a vocational school ; he doing some kind of work. And the girl, we. . ., she's been a little problem and it has saddened Josephine some. The last time I visited, the little girl came back to be with her adopted mother. In the meantime, the father was injured in the mines. Then, not too long ago, he had a stroke; so, she has a sad life now. Anyhow , I hear from her all the time; at Easter and Christmas, I always get a box of candy.&#13;
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SSL : Sister, I wonder, you said that you were involved in that kind of work for six years . Were you involved in that full time ; were you teaching at the college and doing that as another assignment?&#13;
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SRM: Well, see I had a year off. When Mother sent me, I was given a year because Sr. Ann Elizabeth had taken over the department.&#13;
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SRM: No, never the chairman. Miss Sanders was the first one at the college, and then Sr. Ann Elizabeth. When she finished, she became the chairman and Miss Sanders went to Indiana University.&#13;
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SSL :	So, you were full time in the Catholic Charities just that one year. You said you had a one year sabbatical.&#13;
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SRM: Now, that was in my family visiting . SSL :	Your family visiting? I see.&#13;
SRM: I didn't have any. . . No, I did part time in the Catholic Charities .&#13;
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SSL:		That one year that you were doing full time with the family visiting and that experience really led you into the Catholic Charities. The work you did with Catholic Charities you did on a part time basis and at the same time you were teaching at the college.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, after Gertrude left, I stilled worked some with Mrs. McDonough who was the second person who took over before the Catholic Charities .&#13;
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SSL:	Well, Gertrude 's last mane was Wardlaw.	Would you spell her last name for me please? SRM : WARDLAW, Wardlaw . She was Gertrude.&#13;
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SRM: No. Well, another thing that happened when I was in family visiting . . .  I'll go back to family visiting since I think that was nice and familiar. I had to go with a woman to the hospital in an ambulance and she gave me money to keep . Well, I wasn 't too old at the time so I took the money and took it up to Sr. Jane Elizabeth and she kept it, but I had to have a signature from the woman that I had the money. So I went to the hospital, but Ms. Irwin was the Administrator and she was rather strict and wouldn't let you go to visit a patient outside of visiting hours. However, I went and the woman wasn't allowed to have visitors . I can't quite remember the final thing , but I know I took the money to . . . .&#13;
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SRM: Yes. As I said I visited people and well, it was just the regular family visiting , as far as Catholic Charities are concerned. Then, I left to go back full time at the college. When Sr. Ann Elizabeth died, Sr. Rose Angela asked me to go back full time and to give up that.&#13;
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SSL:	And they've been very faithful to you because you've been so faithful to them. SRM: Yes, they have been good to me.&#13;
SSL:		Sister , perhaps now you could tell us something about the wonderful years of your experience in catechetical work and something about those families who are pictured in that album that you showed to me yesterday. We can't take time to discuss every one at length, but perhaps you'd like to tell just a little bit about that and tell the great experiences that you had as a teacher in the Catechetical Program in the diocese.&#13;
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SRM: Well, in 1929, we all went out; I imagine there were 20 sisters who went out all over Westmoreland County to teach Sunday School.  Mrs. Dingies,? from Pittsburgh, organized it because we didn't have a diocese then and so I taught in Avonmore . On the way home from Avonmore I stopped in Slickville to teach catechism to some members of a family. I think I did tell you about the beginning of that in this Anna 	from the college having a visitor .   That is how I got in contact with the Slickville  group.  He introduced me to that family and I would stop on my way home from Avonmore and teach two boys who were not married. They were in High School and I prepared them for their First Holy Communion . The other members were all married and all out of the church as far as the Sacraments were concerned. There was only of them, five girls and three boys, who was&#13;
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married by a priest.	The rest of them were married by squires; so, one by one, they came to me to have their marriages "Fixed up". Carmen Luzzetti, the boy, was really responsible for getting all of this going because he was very much in conflict ?? with family now.&#13;
Not too long ago, when I was visiting one woman, a member of the family, told me that I visited their home for the first time when their son was 2 years old; he died a couple years ago at 45. That was one of the first times that I had met one of the families. . . .&#13;
They lived on a farm and there was this, well, we'd call it the mother house up on the top of the hill. Then, down on the road, there were a couple (two)houses where two sons lived. So I used to call it the mother house; I'd teach at the mother house.&#13;
And then I taught some others that came in with friends, I have in my album. I started the pictures of that family because many years ago I taught them	and the&#13;
husband of one I taught was in the hospital and I had their marriage "fixed" while he was in the hospital. So, as I said before, the grace of God flows from one to the other. It's marvelous how you plant seed and how it grows.&#13;
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SRM: Well, see in that album, I have tried to have pictures of each family that I have had contact with, though not all, but some of them . There was a very interesting one that just happened last year. In the hospital there was a woman; well, she died and her husband was very lonely.  I learned to know the family very well because that woman was in and out of the hospital. She had a leg amputation, was taken home and died. Her husband , Frank LeCor? was very down and lonesome. He used to call me and tell me how lonesome he was and then his friends got him to go out a little bit. He got himself working with the Senior citizens in St. Mary's Parish in Export. Then, too, he had a friend whose wife had a friend who was a widow; so he got them together. When he was out with this woman he talked about Sr. Rose Marie. She knew a Sr. Rose Marie, but she never connected Sr. Rose Marie with his. One day he mentioned something about the hospital and she said, "Why, that's my friend Sr. Rose Marie! I knew her 40 years ago when she was one of the group that I knew in Slickville".  That was when I first taught out in  Slickville. So, this Thanksgiving a year ago, they invited me to go to her home for Thanksgiving dinner; the two families live together . Wait a minute, I always forget Maimee's name, her last name before she got married; now she is Mrs. LeCor?. They ended up being married in January. So they have been very good to me since they are married. I was the only outsider besides the bridegroom or not the. . . .&#13;
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SRM : Yes, the attendants , I was the only outsider at that wedding . Just the day before yesterday I got a card from them down in Florida. So you can see how things just come together. It so happens that the woman, Lena, is a sister to one of the Maranellis?, the family that I had developed from 50 years ago. So it puts Frank LeCor? into the Moranelli group.&#13;
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SRM : Well, his wife was ill and she was in and out of the hospital; she had diabetes . A bad thing happened, too , that made Frank very sad. About three years after his mother died, he became blind; he had diabetes, also . He had lost the sight in one eye; then he lost the sight in his second eye. He went to a school for the blind and passed through school and now? he's at Pitt. He was working towards a career for the blind but then he got a kidney condition and died. Frank and his son, John, were very close; they worked closely&#13;
together . He had one child; I was at the child's Baptism. The thing that made Frank more sad was the fact that John's wife had been cremated . So, he would come with all these sad stories. When I was the hospital they?? came to visit me and when I came back here to Assumption Hall they?? came to visit me.&#13;
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SSL :		Sister, a little while ago, when we weren't recording you were telling me something about Denis, one of the sons of Frank LeCor?. It was an interesting story; perhaps you'd like to make a record of that now.&#13;
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SRM : Denis worked for a company in Jeannette and was laid off permanen tly. When he was out looking for a job, he passed Kirner's in Pittsburgh. He said to himself, 'I'm going to get the kids a medal." So he went in and he picked up a book on the Blessed Mother and the rosary. He said after reading through the book, he took it home and said, "I should be saying the rosary." So, he started saying the rosary. I don't know if he'd ever said the rosary before, but anyhow he started to say the rosary.  Now, he says three rosaries a  day; one of those rosaries is said with his wife at 7p.m. when it is on the radio. Also, he goes to Mass every morning. He is in his late thirties and has three children.  He brought his assistant pastor over to see me about two weeks ago.  Fr. Persico was sitting out in  the hall, when Denis came along with this priest.	I don't know what the priest's name is, but it's Fr. Al ---&#13;
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SRM: Our Lady of Joy, in or near Murrysville. It's in the Pittsburgh Diocese; just over the border from Murrysville. Well, anyhow, now that he is not working, one of his things is he goes to the flea market where he saw a statue of the Blessed Mother. Now, he's very devoted to the Blessed Mother; he saw this statue of the Blessed Mother whose neck was broken.&#13;
He bought it for fifty cents; he brought it home, fixed the neck and painted it. You really wouldn't know that it didn't just come from the store; it's so beautifully done. But, he brought it to me.&#13;
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SRM : Continuing that story of the statue, he found another religious statue and he was painting it. A man saw him painting these statues and he gave him a statue to paint and paid him for it, which helped him a little bit. In return, he said about the Blessed Mother in&#13;
October he didn't have enough money to his pay his rent. In the book he had read that  the Blessed Mother answered a lot of prayers. So he said to her, "I haven't any money to pay my rent, could you find a way for me to get money?" A short time after a man asked him if he could paint the gutters in his house. So Denis painted the gutters and got  enough money to pay his rent from that. That money was through the Blessed Mother!&#13;
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SSL:		Sister , you told us about John, Mr. LeCor's son who became blind and eventually died after his serious illness and who was cremated at the wish of his wife. You mentioned that he had a son Denis, about whom you've been talking. Did he have any other children?&#13;
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SRM: He has a son that lives in Texas and a daughter that lives in Pgh. The one in Texas and the one in Pgh. are twins . John is the oldest of his boys.&#13;
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SRM: He's the one who had the kidney condition and died. SSL:	Where do Mr. and Mrs. LeCor? live now?&#13;
SRM: He lives in Export. Lena had a home in Slickville ; then she moved into his home because he built the home himself. He was very much attached to that home because it is a little bigger and simpler than Lena's.&#13;
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This interview is being conducted as part of the Oral History Program of the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. The interviewee is Sister Rose Marie Schneider. The interviewer is Sister Sara Louise Reilly. This is the third session of interviews with Sister Rose Marie. Today is Wednesday  April 20, 1983. The interview is being conducted at Assumption Hall.&#13;
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SSL:		Sister Rose Marie, you were one of the sisters who came to Assumption Hall in the beginning of its history . Would you like to tell us something about your work here in Assumption Hall in those days?&#13;
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SRM: Well, how I got here was not as a patient, exactly, though I did have a throat condition and was not allowed to teach anymore .  I had been at Blairsville for eight months in silence and they assigned me to come here. Not having any illness that would keep me in my room or bed- ridden, why, I "puttsied" around in the kitchen with Sr. Regis. Sr. Regis had been at Seton Hill and I taught her. She assigned me to a job in the area of the kitchen, in the storage room. All of the supplies from the infirmary at Seton Hill had been brought to Assumption Hall and put in this room without being organized in any way. So Sr. Regis gave me the job of organizing the storage. We ordered shelves and I continued there .&#13;
That resulted in my being involved in the kitchen proper.  I took care of the diets; we  served the sisters in the infirmary from a hot cart. That was given to me as a responsibility&#13;
-to serve the trays on the third floor. There I continued for five years. I had a happy five years because we lived the real community life. We had the old sisters who were not ill, but were old; we had recreation every night. Some of the sisters would play Old Maid and other games; we just were really happy, living there at that time .&#13;
Then, the novices at that time had to come to Assumption Hall for jobs and some of them worked with me on the third flo or. Now, ever so often, I hear from some&#13;
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of them because they remember little things that I did or things that I said. So I still have contact with those novices who worked with me. I felt that it was very profitable for them to be here, too, from the standpoint of community. The old sisters reminisced and some could remember back to the beginning of the community .&#13;
At the time there was one of my  own family  here, Sr. Mary Hubert  Metzler,  who was my mother's niece; her mother and my mother were sisters. So there are very many happy memories here at Assumption Hall. Mother Eveline was here, Sr. Mary Edna, Sr. Mary Francis and Sr.  	,Ican't remember her name.&#13;
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SRM: Yes, Marie Francis, and Sr. _ _ _ _ _ , she used to be Treasurer at Seton Hill. We had&#13;
a very lovely association with those old sisters. We'd all go down to prepare vegetables for dinner and things like that. We really had a very happy family here.&#13;
Then, all of a sudden, I happened to have a vacation with my sister in Gary, IN. She had been an invalid for fifteen years . . . Jane Schneider, who had been an Academy graduate. Mother Claudia sent me a letter saying that I could have another week with Jane and then I was being sent to Jeannette Hospital where they could use me. She said the work in the kitchen was going on smoothly, so I could go to Jeanne tte. But she told Sr. Geraldine not to put me in the kitchen. I had been teaching Home Economics&#13;
in the food service area for about 25 years, so Sr. Geraldine didn't know what to do with me. It took her about two or three weeks of opening packages and getting ready to open the hospital while she was trying to find out what she could give me to do. So, when she was finally ready to actually start the hospital, she decided to make me the Executive Housekeeper. I was that for 13 years. I did my work in supervision in that work by visiting patients and through that I did some apostolic work.  Instead of going with a pencil and pen to find out what was wrong, while I was visiting I would look around and see what needed to be done. At the meeting, I would bring this up.&#13;
We had working there a group of women who were real housekeepers of a home&#13;
and it became like a family. They had a lot of initiative and a lot of ambition; we became a real close fa mily. They used to get together maybe twice a year and invite all the sisters, have games and they'd have beautiful prizes. One thing we got as a benefit was that Sr. Geraldine, the administrator of the hospital, was always there at the supper and the girls got to know another side of Sister, other than as an administrator .  They realized that when she passed us in the hall she couldn't be greeting us as though we were at recreation. So, we really were a very close knit group, that is, the Sisters and the employees at the hospital.&#13;
Then, after 13 years, well during those 13 years, I did a little bit of apostolic work.&#13;
They would ask me questions and I would answer them naturally and as a result, we had converts. We had some real converts and then we had some who were brought back into the Church. It was very satisfying to be able to do that kind of work as well as supervising housekeeping. Then , when I became 75 years old, it was decided that it was time to change my job because the hospital was getting larger with more employees and situations were getting a little harder. So, Sister Geraldine , God love her, found a job that was very productive for me during the rest of my time at the hospital. They were backlogged in microfilming of their medical records and she asked me if I would take over the microfilming of records in the Medical Records Department. So with some volunteers , and those volunteers were professional women , we worked. Some were secretaries from industry and some were our own students. We had Mary Dolan, who was a student from our Academy and College, Leann 	, Anastine 	, Hildegarde Lutz,&#13;
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who had been a student of mine and Hildegarde's sister, Mary Harlgone, who had been a secretary from one of the institutions in the area. We had a lovely department and extended our microfilming from the Medical Records to Laboratory, the Business Office and X ray. When I was 82 years old somebody made the statement that "surely they don't have an 82 year old person on the payroll." And so the Board decided not too long afterwards that everyone who was 65 years old was to retire. Well, that included our Sisters Mary Cephas, Mary Magdalene, Norberta and Rose Marie. It happened that the government made a ruling that you could not force a person to retire until he or she was 70 years old, so that released Sr. Norberta from that obligation because she was only 66. But, three pf us had to retire. So, I came back to Assumption Hall and I have been here now almost five years.&#13;
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SSL:	So you came first in 1954; you were here until 1959 and came back in what year?&#13;
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SRM: 1978. They were only open six months when I came here and the Bishop had made the remark at the Mass of Dedication that this was the stepping stone to eternity. I have come to realize in my five years here that it is a place to prepare for eternity. I have had many opportunities to do just that because we have been given many opportunities of the chapel and our chaplain. We have been able to prepare.&#13;
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SSL:		Well, you've been preparing all these years not just these last five years.  One of the  things which I think is very significant, as you talk, Sister, is you are always concerned with establishing community whether it is the sisters with whom you're living or those people with whom you are wo king. You commented each time that this is a very significant feature of your life. So, you really have been preparing all these years, not just these last five years, though you have had some special opportunities in these years.&#13;
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SRM : Well, I hope that I will be prepared. Because you know, Sister, with all the anxiety of the world and all the things that are going on today, you just get yourself so frustrated sometimes . You don't know whether you are on the right road or not! However, it is a good place to try, anyway.&#13;
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SSL:		As you look back through all these years, Sister, are there certain Sisters who you had an association with and you feel a particular influence on your life or about whom you might want to say something else. You mentioned some earlier, I think in the first session that we had. Perhaps you want to look back over some of that now and see.&#13;
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SRM: Well, Sister, I think maybe I said before that my introduction to Seton Hill was through Sr.&#13;
Estelle Lowe, the blood sister of Mother Aloysia  Lowe.  When I came to visit her she asked me if I would like to come there to school. Well, she sent me to Sr. Francesca Brownlee, who was the Directress of the Academy; she gave me literature. She sent Sr. Stanislaus and Sr. Francesca to visit my parents . Then in August my parents decided that they would see about sending me to school, and they would .&#13;
After I landed there Sr. Stanislaus took me under her wing and certainly did guide me on the right track. However, as my father had said when he visited before I came, that he thought I might be a sister. Well, he told the Sisters that and it was probably the wrong thing, because they had it in their minds that I was going to be a Sister and I had to do this properly and do that properly. If I did anything that was out of the way, then I was warned that I couldn't be a Sister if I did things like that. So Sr. Stanislaus was the one who was&#13;
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really my inspiration at the beginning.  I became very close to the Sisters.  For instance,  at the time we were going to Duquesne for school. They would be acquainted with my family and sometimes my father would take them back to Seton Hill after school.  One time we almost had a fatal accident because the certain road going from Pittsburgh to Greensburg was the Old Lincoln Highway and a motorcycle came toward us. I don't know how my father controlled the car. I had Sisters Francesca, Francis, Stanislaus and Maria Francesca in the car. I don't know how my father kept the car on the road, but finally we were safe. Those were a few things I remember about those Sisters . Sr. Stanislaus kept close tabs on me. I went to Pgh. after I graduated for advice from a priest at St.&#13;
Augustine's.  Sr. Stanislaus was afraid that they were leading me away from Seton Hill and so she invited me to make a retreat at Seton Hill; I had just made a mission at the church and when I mentioned it to the priest, he said "don't take too many. . ." don't have too much piety. . . ."	I don't know just how he put it, but he said that I had just had a mission and that was enough right now. And so St. Stanislaus was afraid that I was going to be a Franciscan instead a Sister of Charity.  However, I don't know if I told you about  the visit that my father's boss did about me. He took me to see the Mercy Sisters because he had two daughters in that community. He took me to the Ursulines and to the Franciscans. He was going to take me to see the Sisters of St. Joseph also, but he had to go to Europe for some reason and when he came back I told him not to bother taking me any place else because I was going to be a Sister of Charity. That was Mr. McCafferty, who had a daughter who was a Seton Hill graduate. So I became a Sister of Charity.&#13;
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SSL:	Well, we're glad you came to us.&#13;
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SRM:   Well, as far as the others Sisters...   Sr. Electa and I were very close; we were good friends.  We'd talk things over every once in a while.  And Sr. Francesca  Brownlee... again, repeating things you know. I don't know if I told you about sister's relationship/ acquaintance with my mother. You know, when we were in the Academy we didn't know the Sisters' names before they became sisters, but I knew Sr. Francesca's name; she was Marcella Brownlee. When I went home I said to my mother, "Oh, do you know what our Directress's name was before she became a Sister? Her name was Marcella Brownlee." And she said, "That name sounds very familiar to me." So when I came back to school I said to Sr. Francesca, "Did you know anyone by the name of Theresa Sherry; that was my mother's name before she got married?"   She said the name sounded familiar, so I asked if she ever lived in Wilkinsburg . She said, "Oh, yes I used to go visit the McGraws. The McGraw girls went to Seton Hill and she used to go home with them and my mother was a very close friend of the McGraws. So my mother knew Sr. Francesca in that way.&#13;
They never really knew each other after that, but they became associated in that way. So, I had a closer contact with Sr.Francesca because she knew my mother at one time.&#13;
And I'm afraid , well, I shouldn't say afraid but, I think that maybe had some influence on my becoming an Home Economics teacher because she was more interested in my family then and the things that my parents would tell her about my working at home. For  instance, my mother was very ill and she had to go away to the mountains afterwards for recuperation ; I kept house for my father when I was only 13 years old. So I think that was in Sr. Francesca's mind when she needed an Home Economics teacher and picked me to go to school at Columbia where I worked and got my Masters degree in Home Economics there .	So I've had a very active life at Seton Hill and the Sisters are very dear to me. I think I have to thank them for what I am now. Lord knows what I am, but I know they helped me to be what I am anyway .&#13;
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SSL :		Well, you've certainly had a very full life, Sr. Rose Marie. Y ou' ve related so many differen t kinds of experiences and in addition to your very great concern to establish community. I think you have been very much an Apostolic person.  I'm recalling now about when you were at Jeannette and working with administrating the housekeeping that you found that as a means of making friends and helping other people apostoli cly. So I think that we have much to be grateful for that we have someone like you among our members and I feel particularly privileged to have been allowed to visit you, interview you and to learn about those experiences . I know that there were times through this interview that you said "I am grateful for", and maybe you would like to just close this interview by saying whatever it is that you would like to say after these years. How many years now, have you been in religion?&#13;
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SRM : 64. It will be 64 next August.&#13;
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SSL:	So as you look back over those years , first an Academy student and then as a member of the Congregation, what would like to say?&#13;
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SRM : My most satisfying, I suppose, or the one that has done most for my spiritual life, I think, was my first experiences with family visiting, my confraternity work and my work with Catholic Charities. I just met one of the women that belongs to the Children's Department in the Courthouse, who reminded me of my association with her through Catholic Charities. Her daughter, Rebecca 	,Ijust can't think of her name, it was just on my mind.&#13;
Anyhow, she was a student of mine and a person just recently made a remark to her that she had worked with me in Catholic Charities. So I feel that the most influential, most satisfying and most beneficial thing in my life has been my contact with people. I would almost say with souls because my life has been that.&#13;
Now I have kept up an album of my work with those families, but I could only put in the album the social life that I had with these families. However, it is the spiritual contact more than the social, since I was invited always as a Sister. Because I was with those families, and there have been so many sorrows and so many catastrophes that have been very sad, and I have been a part of all of that. That's what has been my life.&#13;
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SSM : So, you've been a Sister of Charity . All of those things are very beautiful and I am sure those people will be eternally grateful to you as you are eternally grateful for having been allowed to be of so much help to th em.&#13;
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I never would have had those opportunities had I stayed in the world . I don't know whether I mentioned the fact that when my mother and father died 10 months apart, my brother said to me,"They needed me where I was."  Because my relatives thought that I should go  home and help keep house, but my brother said,"They needed her more where she is".&#13;
And through all the years , 50 or more, he has shown that he meant that , because he always depended on me as a Sister .&#13;
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And finally, I'm sure that we would conclude with a prayer of gratitude to God for all the blessings of these many years .&#13;
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And I want thank you for interviewing me and giving me the opportunity to reminisce .&#13;
It has been a very beautiful experience for me, Sister, and l"m grateful to you. I know you continue to remember in your prayers all of the Sisters of Charity and we're happy to know that we have you and so many others praying here. God bless you .&#13;
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OH - 81 Sr. Mary Schmidt  Side I of Tape marked I and II	OH I and OH II&#13;
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SMJH: This interview is being conducted as part of the oral history program of the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. The interviewee is Sister Mary Schmidt ,formerly known as Sister M. Thecla, and the interviewer is Sister Miriam Jane Hollowood. The interview is being conducted at Seton Hill College on July tenth, nineteen hundred eighty-four.&#13;
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SMJH: Sister Mary, will you tell us something about yourself before you came to Seton Hill?&#13;
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SMS: I am the oldest of six children. · My father was Henry Schmidt, who was a professor at Carnegie Mellon University. My mother was a teacher of Speech, what they then called Elocution, Unfortunately, I didn' t imbibe any of the things my parents had specialized in. I went to Sacred Heart Grade School and High School. I'm sure that's where I got my greatest feelings for the Sisters of Charity .&#13;
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SMJH: Who were some of the Sisters that you knew at that time?&#13;
SMS: I suppose the ones I had in high school were the most memorable. I had my name from the marvelous Sister M. Thecla Carroll, who was a Latin and Mathematics teacher. Sister Thecla died very suddenly at the age of forty-four when I was a sophomore at Sacred Heart. This was my first experience with death. At that time, Mother Rose Genevieve Rodgers knew I was going to enter and she said she would like to save that name for me, so she did.	The person who was ' most influential with me at Sacred Heart was Sister M. Claudia Glenn, who later became Mother&#13;
M. Claudia Glenn. She taught English for the four years I was at Sacred Heart High School. She was really the first to note I am sure that I was going to become a Sister of Charity.  When I was twelve or thirteen, a freshman in high school, I remember one day of being struck beyond words when Sister Claudia said: "Mary, I know that you are going to be a Sister." I said: Well, how did you know that?" I realize now that she could see it. Those were the two people who were most influential. Of course, there was a teacher, Sister Rose de Lima Henry, whom I had the pleasure of having for Latin for four years. There were others. However, if you are asking for the highlights, those are the highlights.&#13;
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SMJH: When Mother Claudia said that she knew you were going to be a Sister, did you know? SMS: Yes, that's why I was so surprised. It was just around that time when I was in the eighth grade going into high school that I simply realized that I was to be a Sister. At that time I thought it was rather glamorous, but I also knew that it was a way of devoting my entire life t·o some thing. This may sound naive, but I always knew that I had to devote my entire life to something. It couldn't be any less. That's why I didn't want to marry, not meaning anything derogatory about marriage. I remember how I was very drawn to praying in Sacred Heart&#13;
Church. They had Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament on Fridays when'I was in grade school. I was always running back and forth between the church and home. We didn't live very far away. I also kept saying to mother: "I won't be away long. I'll be back soon.  She of course didn' t mind. Then fortunately, or unfortunately, I realized that I wasn' t in any big hurry. My father, of course, just took it for granted that one went to college. I had no problem with that. I was&#13;
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delighted to go to college. Obviously, I went to Seton Hill. I had studied piano with my father for a number of years. He was very interested in my not being very good at it. He said: "If you are really interested in becoming a religious, I don't want you to become a piano teacher." He had seen too many of them who didn't have enough to do but listen to little children.	I had nothing to do with it, but I have always been grateful to him since. He said: "I don't want you to learn any more piano if you are determined to do this."	Before I went to college, that was the idea. It is also true that my first preference has been English, both reading and writing it.  I really don't think I ever had any trouble with anything. I had an extraordinarily happy childhood and home. I look back on that as being very helpful to me. My mother was a convert, and had no great feeling for my wanting to be a Sister. She also had some problems with some of the sisters when my brothers were altar boys and choir boys. That wasn't important. She came to be very happy with the whole thing. That's pretty much in a nut shell what my early years were like.&#13;
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SMJH: Now, you said your Father was a Music Professor. Didn't he also teach at Seton Hill College?&#13;
SMS: Well, he did along with his teaching at Carnegie Mellon. He didn' t teach at the college while I was a student. I know he was here while I was a white capped novice. He never left Carnegie Mellon. He only came up to Seton Hill College two days a week. This was during depression times when the younger students at Carnegie Mellon and at Seton Hill were not so numerous as they had been, and consequently he was able to condense his work at Carnegie Mellon into three days a week and teach at Seton Hill the other two.	He was here for four or five years. I remember that Mother M. Evaline Fisher was the Mother Superior and also chair­ man of the Board of Directors for Seton Hill College. She wanted to get my father to be chair­ man of the Music Department, hoping that the connection with Pittsburgh might be influential in getting more students to come to the college. My Father and Doctor Reeves were great friends, and my father enjoyed his time at Seton Hill. I believe that it was difficult for my father and he should only have been at Seton Hill for a short time. Anyhow, he went back to Carnegie Mellon until he retired. All of his friends were there. It was like in the Henry James era. If you wanted to study music a lot, you went to Europe, and so he did. Many of his friends went to Europe also and when they came back they were the pioneer faculty of the Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon University. This was about nineteen hundred ten. We were faculty children, and we went to the swimming pool and music classes, and Dr. Baker' s Christmas parties for faculty children.&#13;
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SMJH: That' s good, and he got to be part of our faculty at Seton Hill. You graduated from Seton Hill with a Bachelor's degree in English and then went to Pitt to obtain a Master' s degree in English.&#13;
SMS: Yes, I graduated from Seton Hill in nineteen thirty-two, and again wasn't in any hurry to leave home, so I went to Pitt and graduated with a Master's degree in English in nineteen thirty­ four. My father was also in favor of this. He thought it was better for one to get as much college work as possible, as he had some insight to some of the problems people had.&#13;
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SMS: It was difficult. I was the first one. People thought that you might become a snob.  I was a great substitute in the fourth grade, about which I knew nothing, and I have never to this day set my foot inside a high school as a teacher. I understand this. It was the mentality of religious life at that time, and it would not happen today.  I knew that here I was, I belonged, and never doubted for one second. I was extremely happy in the community. The first thing I did when I didn't let them decide was to go to Altoona to teach the seventh grade. Where upon I fell with a terrible case of scarlet fever. That ended my career as a mission sister after a few months. They really wanted someone as a seventh grade teacher. They felt that you would know so much more because of having a master's degree. Then I came back to Seton Hill. I was a black cap novice. For a time, I was not doing anything as the scarlet fever left me with a heart involvement, which evaporated later on, but I had it then.	It was Christmas week. I had not made my vows yet. Behold, Sister Victoria Brown, who was an English teacher took a trip to the hospital and was retained for a while. So, here I was with a Master' s Degree in English. There must have been a great commotion among the powers. about my doing anything. Some of them felt it was the kiss of death for me to do anything. There they were, and here I was with this degree, so anyhow I did it. I became a part time teacher in the college the Spring Semester of . nineteen thirty-six. Somehow, I got a much better feeling for the sisters than what I had when I was in college. They seemed so much better. I didn't come to the community because I thought the sisters were marvelous. I came because I knew that was what I had to do with my life. I was presumably destined to be an English teacher.  Sister Victoria, who was the treasurer decided that I should go to Oxford University in England for a degree. They didn't give a doctorate, but they gave a Master's, which they feel is superior to our American Doctorate. I was indeed supposed to go. All preparations were made. In the late summer of nineteen thirty;.e ight; there was a big scare in this country that the war was immanent. Well, it was decided that it wouldn't be good to send a young sister off into a war. So everyone said: "We' ll wait·until next year.&#13;
War was declared on September fourth of nineteen thirty-nine, so I never went. At that same&#13;
time since I was already to go somewhere, they packed me off to New Haven, Connecticut in September of nineteen thirty-nine. I was there until January of nineteen forty-three, which was four years. I stayed with the Sisters of Charity in New Jersey. They were near the University. They were so nice, but didn't understand what on earth I was doing. I enjoyed that life, that scholarly life I guess you would say, very much...being on my own. However, I knew I belonged in the community, so I hurried back to Seton Hill.&#13;
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SMJH: What did you do your dissertation on?&#13;
SMS: I did my dissertation on Sir Thomas Moore.	It turned out to be a very small subject within a great field. I knew that ifl was going to spend a year or year and a half on anybody, I wanted it to be someone I could feel some sympathy for. I wanted to take someone who had a religious mentality. I thought ifl took Alexander Pope or somebody like that for that length of time, I couldn' t take it! So, even though I had no course work in Tudor English, I took it on.....Sir Thomas Moore. I enjoyed it very much ...going through books, transcribing in black&#13;
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letters which was the way it was then. It has only been in the past twenty-five years that things were printed in ordinary letters. During all this time, the war was going on. I still wonder now why I didn't know more about the war, even though I read the New York Times every Sunday. I still want to know why I didn't know more. I think you become very engrossed and very selfish in a way while during library work. It' s very demanding! There were only four women working on their graduate work, but they too were talking about their work, and not the war. Men were at the age where they were drafted into the war. I'm certainly no expert on the second world war.&#13;
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SMJH: No, but you' re an expert on Thomas Moore. You have published some papers on Thomas More.&#13;
SMS: Yes, I also have a very good experience of the generosity of this Community. When I finished there, I had all sorts of things that I came across while I was doing my dissertation. The dissertation on Thomas Moore was recognized on Thomas Mooore's use of St. Augustine as his English polemical work. It was certainly nothing anyone should be bored to death by reading it. But, while you are doing this you run across fascinating things which you want to pursue. So, it was the most natural thing in the world to want to write about these things, and.I did. I had many summers, one after the other when I went back to New Haven and did this writing. I got it into print, not anything marvelous. The first thing I had printed was an essay on St. Patrick because that was enlarged in nineteen forty-five shortly after I was back.&#13;
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SMS: Well, again, there was a large group of women, possibly from the A.O.H. They wanted a speech, and I was asked if I would give this speech. They wanted something relative to the pious nature. It was in March, and I was asked to speak about St. Joseph or St. Patrick.	I knew little about St. Joseph, and I knew that.St. Patrick had a lot of historical things. I made this great discovery that Patrick was a staff (couldn' t make next word out) character. So I got together some of these things and gave my speech. They were things that perhaps they had heard, but claimed they were all news to them. I got this speech sent to the magazine "America" for publication. Then after that I did other articles like St. Thomas Moore , The Medieval Devil and other funny things like that, which were also published in "America", and "The Catholic World". In those days, they were the only magazines that would print things with background, at least that I knew of. There was one article published in the "Scholarly Journal" and others were published in different places. (She didn't name these places).&#13;
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SMS" Yes, some short ones, which were also published in "America".&#13;
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SMJH: Did you want to say anything about coming back to Seton Hill and being on the Faculty? SMS: Yes, those years when I was teaching were probably the best years of my life.&#13;
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SMJH: This is a continuation of the oral history interview with Sister Mary Schmidt. (Sr. Miriam Jane didn't give any date here). Sister, when you returned from Yale University, you became a full time member of the English Department at Seton Hill. What were some of the courses that you taught?&#13;
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SMS: Well, I taught Writing. We all of course taught Freshman English, and I happened to like that very much. I also enjoyed teaching Writing. We also had a course in "Advanced Composition" we called it. English Majors were required to take it. At least they did. Then I taught Shakespeare, Literary Criticism, and sometime later, I'm not sure exactly when, but I taught Twentieth Century English Literature. I never was an American literature person. I didn' t have any advance work in it and didn't have a feel for it. As I recall; we , especially young teachers, took for granted that we taught whatever.needed to be taught. It didn' t matter how many hours it happened to be. One became the advisor for the publications that would be corning in and for the "Quarterly," which at that time was a rather active thing. It came out three times a year and included a commencement issue. Many marvelously  talented girls whose things I value very much, and have never thrown out were printed in it. The other thing, of course, was that you were appointed to be a class advisor, as I was, pronto, by Sister Victoria Brown, who was the young Dean at the college. I wanted to write and do all these things, but I became a class advisor immediately. So, the class came in the Fall of nineteen forty-three (some of what she said here is disconnected for want of a way to put it), right when I was getting started. I was the class advisor for the class of nineteen forty-seven. I put on the Freshman show " Anne" of? (couldn't understand what she said). ·The Freshman show had something to do with frogs. I don't remember what it was. A lot of the people laughingly remember some of the songs in it. I do remember how desperately hard it was to get the girls together to get the show together, while at the same time having many other responsibilities. You still had large charges.&#13;
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SMS: You had a lot of manual stuff which you had to do. You were responsible for cleaning one of the classrooms.	You did this for quite a number of years. Some of my dear friends used to come and help me clean. It was in Room 236. They would shove the chairs around, etc.&#13;
SMJH: Was that your weekly charge?&#13;
SMS: You cleaned the blackboard every day. Only once a week did you do the marvelous pushing the mop around.	These are funny little things, but as faculty members, you were expected to do all these things. You were primarily a good sister, and after that a faculty member. I don't say that with any bitterness. It was just a funny situation, and that's the way it was! Even the chairman of our department, Sister Electa Boyle felt this, and she had done the same. So, there wasn't anything the matter with this. She had no feelings as to the number of things people had to do. You see, it all came through alright. I don't think I became any less the teacher. I think you're young enough. You rise to the occasion! You have good health, and it's expected.&#13;
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SMS: Why of course! I skipped recreation as often as I could. There were many evening meetings which I had to attend. I was never very fond of recreation. I think it was a contrived thing! It wasn't really recreational. However, you did all those things. You rose at five-fifteen AM even though you lived on the floor with the students and were responsible for them. I distinctly remember that when Mother Maria Benedict Monahan was confronted with the fact that the college sisters were not getting enough sleep because we had charge of the floors. In other words, they were supposed to be quiet, but not until eleven o'clock. If they weren't quiet, you took care of it,&#13;
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but you still got up at five-fifteen. Mother Maria Benedict said of course that this was fine because we could always catch up on sleep during the time we had between classes. I think that this was her sincere view of the matter. I remember getting very exhausted, and was relieved once I no longer had this responsibility. I really never enjoyed floor duty.&#13;
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SMS: They weren' t silent. They just weren't supposed to shriek, etc. I slept on Fifth Canevan next to a floor of double decked beds.&#13;
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SMS: Yes, they were all double decked beds. We had more students than we had room for. We didn' t have Brownlee or Havey then. They would merrily jump from top to bottom and laugh and laugh. Of course, I made some of my best friends that way too. The only thing is as I think back on it was that it was an arduous life. I don't think it made me a wretched teacher. I think you rise to the occasion , and you can do it. However, I would not ask anyone else to do it.&#13;
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SMJH: As adviser to the Setonian, you probably kept late hours too.&#13;
SMS: Well, I suppose so. I don't seem to remember much about whether I did or not, but probably did.&#13;
SMJH: When you were adviser to the Setonian, who was your Printer, do you remember?&#13;
SMS: Yes, Mr. George Berrry. He had been Adviser to the Setonian when I was Editor during my years in college. He was such a dear man, and a wonderful friend. I remember when I was a Senior, he brought the paper into my house in Pittsburgh. It had just come out . It was during the Summer. I suppose there was a change in Printers. I don't have any recollection of when George Berry died. I didn' t keep the Setonian for years and years. I had it before I went to Yale, and sometime after that. The other thing that I began to do was "The Alumni Quarterly", so every vacation that you had, you're down in the office typing up the news for the next "Quarterly." Here again, with all my ambitions to write, and here I was typing class news.&#13;
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I have never loved anything so much as being a teacher in the classroom. Consequently, it was announced to me in February of nineteen fifty-seven ,by Mother M. Claudia Glenn , that I would not be teaching any longer. This was a great blow to me. I was very unhappy about this.&#13;
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SMS: It was because I was to be in the President's office. I was to be the Assistant to the President of the college per Mother M. Claudia Glenn.	I was Assistant, and not Vice President, because she thought I was too young to have this title. I was only forty!  I didn't know what I was going to do. The big thing I wanted to do was teach. I said: "But I have courses, and Mother Claudia said:" They will be taken care of." I kept one course going for three years.  I also had the honors course, and I kept it up after I got into the office. To a degree I would have evening seminars for the honor students. That's how I came to know Mary Ann Crenner (sounded like) and others.&#13;
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SMS: The President at that time was: Father William Granger Ryan. We were always kind of friendly. He used to put his head in the window by the Canevan arch where I had my office. I would be facing the window and suddenly there would be this large head looking at me in the window, laughing. I knew I would never, never, ever learn the alphabet system of that kind of office. It was like another world. Father Ryan was marvelous to work with, so that made up for a lot of other things. That job just grew in a topsy turvy fashion. From the first moment when I talked to Father Ryan that lovely February morning in nineteen fifty-seven, I went right to Mother Claudia. She said: ''Now, Father Ryan expects that you will go over to his house." I went, and there he was wearing a neck brace because he was having so much tension. He would be away and come back this way. So, without any direction from Mother Claudia, because she was most evasive, Father Ryan talked to me. He told me that whenever he was away, he would support me in any decisions, right or wrong, which I made in his absence. I thought...what am I going to decide? So, he was stuck with the assistant title too. We never had a bad moment in thirteen years.&#13;
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SMS: Well, I started out by going through the mail when he was away. That' s when I had very little to do. He didn't quite know yet what to.do with the assistant to the President. That's why I&#13;
went to the Archives at that time to help Sister M. Electa Boyle. Things began to grow. For one year I could teach one class. When Father Ryan was home, he worked very hard at indoctrinating me to the job, but he was away a good bit of the time. It wasn't a clear cut job.  I don't understand it myself, but that's the way it was. Father Ryan was stuck with the assistant title for some time. He wasn't permitted to say what my title really was. At one point he called me "Dean" of the faculty, which I didn't understand either. Then, after a long time, we did get around to my being Vice President. It was an experience which he and Sister Muriel Flamman made quite bearable. The thing that' s so wonderful about this is, that Sister Muriel as Dean of the college was next in line as President...ex officio. All of a sudden here is this other office created between, so I took precedence. She made me feel so welcome. It was the most beautiful experience. It gave me an insight into her which of course extended into several years. I don't know of any other person who could not only make you feel welcome, but was also so gracious. When I say that we never had any bad moments in the office, I don't mean that we didn't have numerous bad moments together. We had numerous, different kinds of people confronting us.&#13;
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in those early years. Father Ryan was doing a great deal of pioneering in the Pennsylvania college organization. He and other independent college presidents, besides universities, really did more in those years for the status of colleges in Pennsylvania, for the scholarship program, for the whole scene of private colleges in Pennsylvania. These were the men who did it all...back scene. There is a section here that is very difficult to hear. Sister's speech is not clear...too fast and words are run together. Suffice it to say, that I believe what she is saying here is that she didn't have a clue about what needed to be done regarding the area of accomplishing the goals that she attributed to Father William Granger Ryan and other college presidents. Sister says again that she had to learn everything from Father Ryan. Her own words were: The Presidents were always very remote. I knew Father Reeves well, but would never just walk into his office. As a faculty member, there was no relationship at all. It was an "on the job" learning experience. Looking back, I don't think I would have asked to be relieved of this job because Father Ryan was such a good priest and educator that I would not have voluntarily left.&#13;
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SMS: I'll tell you what happened. This was one of the many things which Father Ryan knew he had to accomplish. It was a strange system retained by women religious communities, not sure about men, by which their Mother General and her Officers were in the primary control of the college. Now, "The Middle States' , had been confronting them for some time on this, realizing that they needed larger ranging support in their board. They needed people who understood finances and all kinds of things. These Sisters of course, with all good will did not understand. They were very fearful, not only ours, but there were many others. They were very fearful of losing control. They thought people would run away with the money bags or something like that. They would choose to let anything happen which did not include them primarily. So, Father Ryan got together a board, which was an advisory board. It met for the first time on March twelfth, nineteen hundred fifty-seven, just after I appeared in the office. They were some of the best people to have in Greensburg.&#13;
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SMS: Well, you had: Chuck Lynch, Tom Wentley (if spelling is correct), Ed Brinker, representatives from the banks... the general people who were knowledgeable and acceptable in Greensburg. Father himself had some friends from elsewhere. There was: Mrs. Helen Cutting, who was a very wealthy woman from New Jersey. She came to all the board meetings from New Jersey. There were others. Oh, I forgot, Jack Coulter was on it. They didn' t really have authority, but they did have a title	"Board of Trustees", which was very cunning (believe this is&#13;
the word she used), but no-one seemed to object to it. They all knew that they were not really a trustee board. So, the Sisters, the Council would meet with them. They did a great many things for us....using their influence financially, getting the city to do things, etc. Sometimes advice was welcome, sometimes not. However, they were there to support and help. They could never get the "Go Sign", to make that Board a legal body, which was really in control of the college, until finally twelve years later, under Mother M. Victoria Brown's leadership in office. She knew&#13;
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what had to be. By this time, "The Middle States" began to be rather insistent about it. So. She and her Council agreed to it. We had a long process of dissolving and incorporating...couldn't understand everything Sr. Mary was saying here. Pat Pacello (if spelling is correct) is and has been our attorney for years. He helped us to get things resolved. He worked in the courts. He even offered to go around to the various communities and explain to the Sisters that we were not giving anything away. We were simply strengthening our Organization. It was determined therefore that there would be fifteen sisters and fifteen lay people on the Board. This was in nineteen sixty-nine, and that is still true. At this time, Father Ryan's health was very poor. He was completely worn out. He got this Board started December of 1969, and announced to them that due to his declining health, he was retiring. He left in June . The Board was finally an accomplished fact. That was his greatest accomplishment for the college.&#13;
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SMJH: This is a continuation of the oral history program with Sister Mary Schmidt. The date is: Wednesday, July fourth, nineteen eighteen-four.&#13;
Sister Mary was named acting President of Seton Hill College by the Board of Trustees in May of nineteen seventy, and elected to the office of President in nineteen seventy-one. She held that office until her resignation in June of nineteen seventy..se ven. In a newspaper article from "Westmoreland's Wednesday," dated June first, nineteen seventy-seven, the reporter says: "The entire academic world was in turmoil in nineteen, seventy-one, the year that Sister Mary Schmidt was made President of Seton Hill. Student and faculty dissension that arose during the height of the Vietnam conflict continued. Declining enrollments were plaguing all but a few colleges and universities . The image of institutions of higher learning had never been lower.  Graduates from colleges all over the country faced a depressed job market. Vocational schools cut into a traditional student school, and career minded young men and women began to seek specialized technical training. Seton Hill was not spared the repercussions of these problems. Happily for the college, the woman who walked into the President's Office in nineteen seventy-one was&#13;
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SMJH: Sister Mary, we know that this is true.	Will you tell us how you were able to confront the problems and issues of the seventies?&#13;
SMS: Well, I should say initially that the woman who walked into the President's office at that time had no convictions as to whether she could take care of these things. Neither had she any vision of what was to come. We were, I would say immediately plunged into a horrendous despot in the Summer of nineteen seventy-one. We had, without any warning a smaller freshman enrollment that we had ever dealt with before. The Board, my very attentive and careful Board, immediately said that we could not afford to carry deficits of this sort. The only way we could save money to stabilize (couldn't clearly hear) the College budget was to cut the Faculty. Since the student enrollment was smaller, it was of course assumed that a smaller number of faculty would do. Simplistically of course that wasn't true, but it turned out that I had no choice. I was faced head on with the need to make a study of class size and Faculty members. So, we made a&#13;
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And so, the announcement of the termination of these faculty members, caused quite a commotion, but it resulted shortly thereafter in the Pennsylvania Labor Union being invoked. We therefore were informed that our Faculty had shown that they had desired membership in our college in view. That, of course, threw us into a very bad state, because a labor union in a college of our size, would be fatal. The demands were very high for salaries, etc. It would have been the end of the college.	(There was the roar of what sounded like a train here, preventing me from getting what Sister Mary had to say). So, without going into the gruesome details, I would say that we had to go through a period of trying to do everything that we could to help to confront this problem. We were facing an election by our Faculty as to whether or not the college would be accepted.&#13;
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SMS: No, the Sisters, normally were not permitted to vote. There was a great deal of feeling among the Sisters. They too felt very keenly about their salaries and conditions, etc. However, the National Relations Board in Pittsburgh, advised that we have a lawyer, and they had a lawyer to determine the Sisters right to vote. It turned out in our favor. They didn't have a vote.&#13;
We were having this vote then by the lay Faculty, and while you were permitted to talk individually to the Faculty members and Administrator, you couldn't have a meeting. So, it was very draining, and a wretched experience all the way around. Finally, the day came when the secret ballot was to be cast, and this was done at the end of the day to the consternation of the other members who had been brought in from the Pennsylvania Labor Union. The vote was two or three in favor of the Union, but the others were against it, but before that, you had no idea how people were going to vote on a secret ballot. You may have had pleasant conversation or so, but you don' t know how they are actually going to vote. This had been triggered by the termination of those young faculty members, and they lost. This was still in nineteen seventy one-seventy­ two. We were also scheduled for a Middle States exhibit (too difficult to hear), which as you know comes every ten years. We had a special case study that year. It took much more time than the one you had in nineteen eighty-two. Very able administrators from a number of colleges come. I happened to be in the office the night before they were to start their work. " You may find that there is more entertainment on our campus, because our students are going to demonstrate that we are really a wretched Organization because we terminate faculty members and we don't do anything that's right!" Of course, they all laughed. The only thing is that I'm afraid they will never do it because they are ultra conservative. I just want you to be ready for it. Nothing of course happened. Things went on. We didn't have to terminate any more faculty members the following year. The enrollment began to pick up. I think, we have a note here, that at some point in nineteen seventy-seven, we had seven hundred ninety full time students, whereas in nineteen seventy, we had six hundred. For us, that was a rather large growth figure.&#13;
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stanzika...never heard the word) perhaps in which we were able to get back on our feet. Perhaps it wa-s becauseof all the turmoil we had in the beginning.  Things really cleared	the books were&#13;
cleared, and the budget was cleared, and we could go forward. The national situation which you referred to in the newspaper article you read meant that no one going into any kind of office in nineteen seventy-one could go in starry eyed. Everyone knew that faculty and students were no longer satisfied with the status quo. Everyone knew that the plans presented for growth in the nineteen sixties had to be scrapped. It was a lovely plan, beautiful building, but we could not afford it, anymore than we could afford the fine arts building.	In other words, instead of dreaming for these wonderful things, you had to begin to work on campus with the people involved in consolidation. You had to realize that the only building you were going to do thereafter, was replacement, and I think that has been true. We did fix up a Music wing while I was in office. That was done with a grant from "The R. K. Mellon Foundation."&#13;
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SMJH: That was an interesting building, was it not? Wasn't it the old laundry building? The institution no longer provided laundry service for the students or the sisters living here.&#13;
SMS: Yes, that is all true, and I think that the architect was very clever also in leaving a solid stone foundation on the building. Then when the state dictated that we could no longer use St. Mary's for classrooms or for indeed much of anything, we had to replace that building, and we did. The original Stokes Mansion was caving in on itself. The whole building had to go. ·We had the option of spending a couple of million dollars of rebuilding it as a monument, but we didn't choose to do that. We were then able to sell it. ( Sister Mary said something else about this, but it was garbled). The Home Economic Department came up here after much commotion. People came up here, and they were happy not to be running up and down the hill. The building which took its place is a lovely building. There was concern at the time, that it wouldn't be too nice because there is not much sun shining in that area. However, that wasn't the case. It turned out to be quite satisfactory. I have heard people later on remarking how well the building blends in with the other buildings on the campus. The Security members said how wonderful it is that the building fits in with the structural harmony of the other buildings. My point in bringing this up is to say that instead of going ahead with grandiose building plans, one had to made do, and we've been making do ever since.&#13;
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SMJH: So, the Music and Home Economic Buildings were put up during your time in office? SMS: Yes, the plans for the Music Building were done before that per the grant from the "R. K. Mellon Foundation"as said earlier. Then I went to the "Kresge Foundation" in Detroit following . the arrangement Sister Dorothy Jacko had made with them. They gave us a large sum of money which was used for the Home Economic Building. I don't think you would have received money during those years to put up something lovely ..e.g. a student union building. It would have been difficult to prove that you were going to use the facility within a certain time limit.	I believe I think of those years on the negative side. It seemed like you were constantly fighting for something. I do remember a couple of things which I was very pleased about. We began the Campus Ministry Program some time during those years. I don't recall exact dates. My memory is all I'm going on. Perhaps someone would like to look it up in the files. I remember that the students' response to the initiation of the Campus Ministry was tremendous! Most ofus were&#13;
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We also found among the Faculty a great cooperative spirit, usually because there is an obvious need, to see how to see what could be done about bringing (not the word she used, but after several tries couldn't understand) the Academic and Liberal Arts Departments to some additional thing which would make them clearly oriented without destroying their liberal arts tenor and caliber. We knew we couldn't think what to say in regard to our liberal arts stance and quality. We also knew that we had to show some practicality. It seemed wonderful to me, that our Faculty, one· after another, would come up with many acceptable things, which seemed to tide us over in that period when people needed to be shown that their education could be practical. The things, of course,  which  appealed  to  me  personally,  were  the  outside activities	Membership and meetings which we were obliged to attend at the Pennsylvania&#13;
colleges and the middle states areas, and national meetings.	Those 'were things which broadened your horizons for your work at home. They were very good, although they took a lot of traveling. Other things which one feels more constructive about was going around seeking funds from people. It seems to me at least, that the responses from directors of Foundations, and from small Corporations, and people that you went to talk to, was always quite positive and pleasant, if not in dollars, at least in attitude. Those were things which I found myself enjoying more than fussing around with why someone did or did not do what they were supposed to do.&#13;
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visible, belong to the Chamber of Commerce, where Seton Hill was a place instead of a mysterious element on the Hill. I don't know, but I believe that's enough, don't you?&#13;
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SMJH: I think it is very impressive and interesting. I would like to quote from the newspaper once again. When you left the Office in nineteen seventy seven, the paper said: "Sister Mary leaves the Office of the President, having established programs that respond to the needs of the Seton Hill student body. She has built working relationships that will endure. The college is financially sound. Enrollment is at an all time high. Structures and systems of working are established that will benefit Seton Hill for years to come." Sister, we know that all these things are true, and they are true because of your enthusiastic leadership.&#13;
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Sr. Marie Arthur Hamilton: I completed the transcription of the oral history for Sister Mary Schmidt on December twenty-seventh, two thousand twelve	2012.&#13;
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SMCM: This is an oral history for the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. The Interviewee is Sr. Mary Agnes Schildkamp and the Interviewer is Sr. Marie Corona Miller. The interview is being conducted at the Greensburg Faculty House. The date is November 19, 1986. It will be kept in the Archives of the Sisters of Charity at Caritas Christi.&#13;
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SMCM: Good afternoon, Sr. Mary Agnes. How are you this afternoon? SMAS: I'm fine, Sr. Marie Corona. Thank you.&#13;
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SMCM: Would you like to tell us something about your personal history?&#13;
SMAS: Yes. I'll tell you about my community history. The records will show that I entered the Community from St. John the Baptist in Scottdale on July 1: 1928, which was my sixteenth birthday. A few weeks prior to this I completed my Junior year in High School on August 28, 1928. Sister Marion McKelvy entered with me. I remember Mother Rose Genevieve Rodgers coming to the convent at St. John's in Scottdale, at which time she arranged for me to enter on July 1, 1928. It was Sunday and when it got to be five o'clock, my family had to leave. I didn't know my way around. Fortunately, Sr. Marion McKelvy, who had graduated from the college arrived. She introduced herself and proceeded to take me to the Sister's Dining R,oom for dinner; It was Summer, so all of the sisters were home, which was about five. hundred in ilumber. That night, I was taken to my sleeping quarters. There were either six or eight people in the dormitory, two of which were former teachers...Sr. Angelica Little and Sr. Serafina Mazza.&#13;
There they were, the same dormitory. They were senior novices. It was my mother who favored my entering the Sisters of Charity. My father had his normal, masculine doubts. I think deep down he was pleased.	I finished my fourth year of high school the February after entering. I did then, February of nineteen twenty-nine begin taking college courses. Classes were assigned to you. I was to have Sister Stanislaus McVay for history and Sister Beatrice Gority for Introduction to Teaching.&#13;
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SMAS: Yes. Today, we talk about global history. Sister Stanislaus's history was more about local history. I couldn't tell you how many times I had my father volunteer to take the class to Bushy Run! He enjoyed it.&#13;
I was supposed to take Introduction to Teaching as aforementioned. Well, I hadn't been going as my other classwork was keeping me so busy. One day, Sister Eveline Fisher, who later became Mother Eveline, stopped me and asked why I hadn't been going to this class. I didn't know any better, so simply responded that it would be too difficult for me to take this class and keep up with my other assignments. Well, I soon learned that you did what was assigned.&#13;
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SMCM: Who was your Mistress of Novices, and who was in charge of the Community? SMAS: Mother Mary Francis McCullough was the Mistress of Novices, and Mother Rose Genevieve Rodgers was in charge of the Community.&#13;
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SMAS: Sr. Marion McKelvy and I received our names and the habit on October 2, 1928. We received the habit in the Oratory on Third Administration the evening before. Everything was as usual the next day. We had Mass, meals were in silence, all proceeded as in a regular day.&#13;
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SMAS: I was sent to St. Anselm's in Swissvale as a white cap, which is not ordinarily permitted. It was to replace Sr. Mary Alfred Sharp, who was ill. It was a seventh grade. It was just a matter of a few weeks. I remember Sister Benedicta Kelly, very formally, and authoritatively telling her little children that I was a very important person because I was wearing a white cap. Only important people wore white caps. From there I substituted at Sacred Heart on Center Avenue from December until June. Sister M. Eugenia Hileman was the principal. It was a temporary assignment. Some of the students I taught in my time there were: Sr. M. Rosaline Walsh, Sr.&#13;
Mary Janet Ryan, Sr. Jane McNulty, and Vincent Mcconaughy, brother of our Sr. Margaret Teresa McConaughy, with whom I kept in contact for many years. Vincent became a Maryknoll Missionary for many years. From there I went to St. Stephen's in Hazelwood. By this time it was about 1930. I have very warm recollections of my three years at St. Stephen's. It was during the years of the Great Depression. I saw the soup kitchen in operation, the steel mills, great care on the part of the priests, the sisters, and all parishioners. I was at St. Stephen's for three years.&#13;
Sister Borgia Casey was the Sister Servant and Principal. I don't mind saying for the sake of history that one of the reasons why my experience there was so warm was due to the fact that Sister Borgia was such a great lady! I've gone through more than fifty years since then and haven't found dedication to surpass hers. She wasn't just herself dedicated to teaching in the classroom, but taught other teachers to do the same. I know now that more than half the sisters in the house felt that we were so fortunate to have had Sister Borgia. We were still novices as we&#13;
had a five year novitiate. ( Sister mentions other sisters whose names I ccmldn't detect, the only one being Sr. Rose Eileen Brazell). I was teaching seventh grade there a year and a half before Sister Borgia came into my classroom. She was always positive. If she had a favorite subject, it was composition.  For example, if something was written on the board that wasn't up to par, she· would just comment by saying something like:" I know that there must be something good in this paragraph by Johnnie Cherubim ( I remember him). . Otherwise, Sister would not have let Johnnie write this on the board." Johnnie had written about Pontius Pilate. In the middle of the paragraph he wrote: "And Pontian Pilate, the dirty devil."When she got to that, Sr. Borgia said: "Yes, Johnnie was angry at Pontius Pilate." Then she would graciously proceed, enhancing the lesson. I had taken a course in Methods of Teaching English Composition from Sr. Teresa Clare Kernan at Seton Hill in Maura Hall the summer before. It was quite a large class, and Sr. Teresa Clare had already become a popular, experienced teacher even though she was not that much&#13;
older than I. I wasn't afraid to see Sr. Borgia after school regarding the interview. Perhaps I was feeling over confident because she may have been looking for me to say I had done a good job.&#13;
However, when she met me that evening, she said: "Oh, Sister Mary Agnes, that must have been a wonderful course in English Composition that Sr. Teresa Clare Kernan taught you." She didn't say I did a wonderful job at all. I told this to Sr. Teresa Clare many times.&#13;
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until 1940. The most influential event was in 1939. Bishop Guilfoyle insisted that there·would be a good, active, sodality, consisting of both girls and boys in the eighth grade. Sister Agnes Marie Reuber was the Principal and Sister Servant. Sr. Agnes Marie and I were sent to attend classes under Father Daniel J. Lord ( what it sounds like). He had what he called "Summer Classes for Catholic Action", which took place in six locations throughout the country for six summers. Sr. Agnes Marie and I were fortunate enough to be asked to go to one in Washington, DC for a week in summer school. That in itself was a wonderful experience as Father Lord was a dynamic teacher as well as Counselor and Director of Activities. From Washington, we went to Emmitsburg. One of the girls who had graduated from the Academy with Sister Hildegarde Eichenlaub, invited Sr. Hildegarde and me to go to Emmitsburg. She was a Daughter of Charity. We stayed for a few days. That was my first visit to Emmitsburg, though I have had many since. From Altoona, I went to Sacred Heart for one year.&#13;
In 1941, I was read out on the mission list as going to Elizabeth Seton High School. It was just the second year for Elizabeth Seton, and Sister Regina Clare Breigg was already the Principal and English teacher. So, immediately after the mission list was read, I met Sr. Regina Clare and said:"Regina, what in the world am I going to do at Elizabeth Seton since you are the English teacher?" She said: ''Now don't worry Mary Agnes. We don't need a regular English teacher. We don't need a regular Science teacher. We just need someone to teach Biology." That summer, I took my required Science work...Micro-Biology, which was taught by Sister Muriel Flamman. I thoroughly enjoyed the class, and apparently talked about it too much at the lunch table, which was with Sr. Regina Clare. That was the beginning of twelve years at Elizabeth Seton High School. Sister Regina Clare was at Seton for the usual six year period of time. Every once in a while I would ask her if I had achieved "regular teacher status." In time, we did get a regular science teacher in the person of Sister Jane McNulty, a former student of mine at Sacred Heart.&#13;
Elizabeth Seton High School was, as far as the Congregation is concerned, of great importance to the history of the Sisters of Charity. Through the efforts of the Parents Guild, we were able t0 pay off whatever the costs were to purchase and reconstruct the old school building, and further to plan for the construction of the buildings which are presently there. We were busy twelve months of the year with fund raising. I had been going to Catholic University in the summers to work on my Master's Degree. In fact my course work was finished. I just had my theses to do and had put it on hold. However, Mother Victoria Brown urged me on to finish this degree. She wanted sisters to achieve the highest degree possible. At any rate, they were great years at Elizabeth Seton....pioneering. We grew very close to St. Elizabeth Ann Seton during my time there. We had prayers and events to promote the canonization of Elizabeth Seton. One of the events having to do with Elizabeth Seton involved Father Lord again. He was a good friend of Monsignor Oliver Keefer. Father Lord was the national sodality leader. Monsignor Keefer was the diocesan sodality leader. The relationship between Father Lord and Monsignor Keefer struck me as being like father to son. Monsignor Keefer had been made pastor of Our Lady of Grace Parish in Scott Township. Previous to his assignment to Our Lady of Grace, Monsignor Keefer had been teaching Religion at Elizabeth Seton. He had to stop teaching because his duties at Our Lady of Grace would not permit him to continue teaching. He had succeeded in getting Father Lord to come and give two or three evening talks at the parish. Father Lord accepted, on condition that he wouldn't be asked to do more as his health was failing. We learned about this the week before&#13;
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Christmas. This must have been in 1952. I did indicate to Father Keefer that January fourth was one of the dates scheduled for Father Lord's talks. Upon arrival at the rectory at Our Lady of Grace, Father Lord spotted on top of the file cabinet in Monsignor's office a framed picture of Elizabeth Seton, which we had given him when he no longer taught at Seton. When Father Lord saw it, he said: ''Now there's a lady who ought to be confirmed. Why doesn't the church give her the honors of the altar? She is a saint!" Father Keefer then asked Father Lord ifhe would want to help the cause along. That's how he trapped Father Lord into coming to Elizabeth Seton on the fourth of January. It was a lovely event...well attended. The parents also came. The students had prepared a program...a panel of speakers. That would have been January of 1954. (There was a section here about the event which was not audible. I tried.) The following week an article appeared in Father Lord's column which was carried by every diocesan paper throughout the country telling about his visit to Elizabeth Seton High School. I remember so well the column. I had the pleasure last week of visiting a school in Pittsburgh named for Elizabeth Seton and as would be expected the school was run by the Sisters of Charity who claim Elizabeth Seton as their Foundress.&#13;
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SMAS: I was principal at Elizabeth Seton from 1947-1954, which was the year I left Elizabeth Seton.&#13;
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SMAS: No, that lasted for just two years when we got a regular science teacher. SMCM: How many students were there at Elizabeth Seton?&#13;
SMAS: The first year, there were seventy-seven girls. When I left, I know there were at least Four Hundred Twelve. I remember that the new auditorium was large enough to accommodate this number.&#13;
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SMAS: Well again, I went back to Sacred Heart High School for one year. I had my sabbatical, I guess. I was there three times for one year. Sister Marion McKelvy was the principal. Also, I would like to say how much I loved the Liturgies at Sacred Heart.&#13;
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SMCM: This is a continuation of the oral history being conducted on Sr. Mary Agnes Schildkamp at Assumption Hall. The date is February 18, 1988.&#13;
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Sacred Heart High School. Previous to my one year at Sacred Heart I had been the Principal at Elizabeth Seton High School for twelve years. Sr. Mary Henry Hanse was ill, and I succeeded her as Principal of St. Luke's. St. Luke's was an excellent high school. We had students there from different parishes. Students went on to many fields of life from St. Luke's...doctors, lawyers, teachers, members of the Community, etc. One of the kinds of incidents that will remain in my memory is that of Father James Shanahan. Immediately after his Ordination in 1956, he was assigned as an assistant priest at St. Luke's. He was asked by Father James Kernan who was the Pastor to interest himself in the high school. He did this. He had a wonderful influence on the students. This influence was somewhat missionary related. You can understand this when I tell you that Father Shanahan went to the Pittsburgh Diocesan Mission in Chimbote, Peru from St.&#13;
Luke's.	I remember so well the farewell celebration that we had for him at St. Luke's. The building was a one-story, four-sided structure. Our students called it "The Cardboard Jungle", but would have big fights with anyone else who would call it such a name. Within those four walls were what is called the "Court." The celebration took place here. Johnny Geinser, who is now Father John Geinser,one of the spiritual directors at Mt. St. Mary's in Maryland, officiated at the celebration. He was president of the student council and he pretended to be Father Shanahan somewhere far off in the mountains of Peru calling to request a list of items. One of the girls, Mary Endy, who studied Spanish as part of the Business Course she was taking was the telephone operator, somewhere between Peru and St. Luke's. She was trying to relay between Spanish and English, Father Shanahan's needs. The jumble between Spanish and English was hilarious! I'm sorry now that this was at a time before you could record things. I feel that Father Shanahan became a martyr as a result of his being at St. Luke's and going to Peru from there. He has been dead about ten years now. He contracted Hepatitis in Peru, which led to Cancer and to his death which took place at Our Lady Of Loreto in Brookline, only about ten years after his ordination. I believe he died before the age of fifty.&#13;
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SMAS: Oh yes. I believe it is safe to say that every year up until now, when I retired from teaching English at Greensburg Central, I taught at least one class. I have always made it a point to know my graduates at St. Luke's and at Elizabeth Seton High School. Therefore, I taught English to the students. Later, when I became Director of Project Forward, I still taught young men and women who were studying for their GED. The atmosphere was a little different, as it took place in the local prison.&#13;
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SMAS: I was not the last principal at St. Luke's in Carnegie when it closed. I told you at the beginning of the interview that at the time I left St. Luke's, it was one of the two times in my community life when I felt that I was mugged! My mission was changed, much to my surprise at the end of July. I'll tell you how it happened. Apparently the Council was considering a change in principal at St. Pancratius in Lakewood, California. Sister Mary Amy Connelly had been ill.&#13;
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How my name came up, I still can't even guess. At any rate, St. Luke's still had two years to go. Freshmen had already been sent to the new Canevan High School. Sophomores went my last year at St. Luke's. There were still Juniors and Seniors left to go. That would have been nineteen hundred sixty. In July of 1960, Sister Teresa Clare Kernan, who was on the Council and in charge of Education sent for me. Mother Claudia Glenn was in the hospital. Sister Teresa Clare said: "I think you ought to talk to Sister Theodosia Murtha about your mission." There had been a meeting of the teaching sisters in the Visual Education Room that day, and I was pretty strong in advising a plan that we were preparing for in the diocese of Pittsburgh. I believe this is what stirred Sister Theodosia ab.d Sister Teresa Clare to think of me as the new principal for St.&#13;
Pancratius. Then Sister Theodosia sent for me. My mother had died, and my father was living alone. This is the way Sister Theodosia put it to me. "Sister Mary Agnes, do you think your father would mind if you were sent to St. Pancratius in Lakewood, California?" I could speak for myself but not for my father. I remember his response so well. He said: "Well, I've often wondered if those platinum blondes in Hollywood are genuine or not. So, sure! You go to California and I'll come out to check it out." It happened though that he did not come out to check the genuineness of the platinum blondes in Hollywood. I was in California just a few months when my father died unexpectedly. That was on January 4, 1961. While I'm on the subject, I was already on my way to Pittsburgh, as-I had a flight from California to Pittsburgh. It was a cold, blustery, winter day. I didn't make it before my father died. He died at eleven o'clock in the morning on January 4, 1961. At eight o'clock in the morning in California, which is eleven o'clock in Pittsburgh, Father Kelty, the Pastor, offered Mass for my father. My family were all satisfied with this, even though we were not present when he died. He was remembered in prayer at that same hour.&#13;
Returning now to the closing of St. Luke's as you requested. One year at a time, the student body&#13;
at St. Luke's was reduced by a Freshmen class, and one year at a time, Canevan High School was established. Of personal importance to me was the Sister, who was like the Co-Principal, in charge of the girls. That was Sister Julia Teresa Dolan. Sister Julia Teresa and I entered together. We had been at Catholic University together and also on the same missions a number of times.&#13;
Sister Mary Bernard O'Brien completed the last two years as Principal at St. Luke's. She had previously been principal for a number of years. I'm not sure what years. However, I can't think of anyone who was more suited for this task than Sr. Mary Bernard. St. Luke's was dear to her. She gave the students the warmth and interest which had been given in previous years. These last two years of St. Luke's might be referred to as the "lame duck" years.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, when St. Luke's High School closed, did we still have sisters living in St. Luke's Convent who taught at Canevan?&#13;
SMAS: Oh yes. I don't remember.who they were, other than Sister Julia Teresa. The Mission list would give you this information. Those sisters lived at St. Luke's Convent and commuted to Canevan High School.&#13;
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principal of the grade school  wanted  to use some of the rooms for her eighth graders.  She had made this request even  in my time there.   However,  we were never able to come to an agreement on this. There is a rather comical story I can tell you about  this if you want  to take the time to hear it. The photographer who took our year book pictures at St. Luke's presented me with not just an eight and a half by ten picture of myself,  but one hundred  wallet size pictures of myself.  At any rate, I said to Sister Sabina: "We'll let your eighth graders  use some rooms at the High School,  if you will accept ninety-nine pictures  ofme."  She turned  me down.  I'm  also  relatively  sure that they didn't use any of the rooms during Sr. Mary Bernard O'Brien's stay there.&#13;
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SMCM: I know that you were the principal at St. Pancratius in Lakewood, California, but I also heard that St. Pancratius was like a hospitality stop, especially for our Korean Sisters around the time of the opening of our Korean Mission in nineteen hundred sixty. Could you tell us about this?&#13;
SMAS: Yes, the first two contingents of sisters who went to Korea went by Freighter out of San Francisco. They had to do that, not because it was less expensive, but because they had to take everything they needed for personal belongings, household items, things needed for their school, etc. I mean this involved big pieces of equipment. The Sisters were not sure when they would depart from San Francisco. The Columban Fathers in San Francisco were co-ordinating their journey. It wasn't just the Korean Sisters who would be going on the same Freighter. There were other groups. Also, the weather had something to do with it. The Sisters came to St. Pancratius around September of 1960. They did not depart for Korea until some time in October. There was the additional problem they had of getting to San Francisco, which was five hundred miles or more from Lakewood, California. It's like another state. In my mind, San Francisco reminded me of Pittsburgh, about which I can't get too enthusiastic, except at night when it's lighted up. Mrs. McGaffin, who was secretary of the High School was very helpful to us in traveling to San Francisco, as she knew her way all around California. Obviously I was not, but I was free to accompany the sisters. We drove up to San Francisco, and spent a week there, waiting for the green light to go on the Freighter, but also Sister Mary Agnes Carey, who was in charge of the Korean Mission had saved several big items to purchase in San Francisco. When I say saved, it was so that they didn't have to be transported across the state. As it was, there were numerous crates of supplies for our mission in Korea, for either the school or the house, that had been sent across the country and put into crates to be carried in the Freighter to Korea I remember one of these items was what we call a copy machine. We spent the week that we stayed with the Franciscan Missionary Sisters in San Francisco buying those items. We stayed with these Sisters at the fifth level, which was the top level of the structure overlooking San Francisco. The Sisters were welcoming and cordial. None ofus knew San Francisco, and so each ofus daily went down into the city to do the shopping which was necessary. The pioneers were: Sr. Mary Agnes Carey, Sr. Mary Noreen Lacey, Sr. Martin d, e Porres(left the community years later) and Sr. Alice Ruane. We had good directions...names of businesses, locations, etc., but we had to do a good bit of it on our own. Each time we stopped for directions or for lunch, we were picked up by someone whose&#13;
name happened to be Irish. What I thought was the payoff, but it wasn't, there was another occurrence later, was a time when we were looking for a: building named McKenna. We had come to an area which came to a point, much like our Sixth and Fifth Avenue triangle in&#13;
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Pittsburgh. A policeman on a motorcycle pulled over to the curb, and one of us said, one of us should ask him. I'm the one who had to step forward and ask him about this building. Well, the others could hear his response, so clear and enthusiastic was his accent. He must recently have come from Ireland. He got off his motorcycle, put his arm around my shoulder and said in his very Irish brogue: "I'll show you." He walked us up partway to the triangle and down the other side. The other Sisters followed, almost.hysterically. At any rate, I thought that would be the peak of our nationality encounter there, but it wasn't. The Sisters who were going to Korea had to stay on the Freighter "The Golden Bear" over night, the night before they were to leave. There was a dinner provided for them, to which they could invite guests. So, I and can't exactly remember who it was went to this dinner. I know it wasn't Mrs. McGaffin, the woman from St. Pancratius, who so graciously was giving her time and energy to help us with this project.&#13;
Nevertheless, we arranged to meet at St. Patrick' s Church, which was located near the pier, the next morning for the seven o'clock Mass. This we did. When we got inside the church, we saw five beautiful stained glass windows. They were marked: Matthew, Mark, Patrick, Luke, and John. I said to the Sisters: "There isn't another nationality that would split up the four Evangelists." It was the real payoffi Some years later Sr. Miriam Joseph and Sr. Paulina Glenn were in San Francisco. I had told them this story. They went down to check out St. Patrick's Church. I still have the note which they sent to me verifying "Matthew, Mark, Patrick, Luke and John being on the five, life sized windows in the church." They also enclosed a copy of the Sunday bulletin, which had been printed in green.&#13;
Helping the Sisters travel .from Lakewood, California to San Francisco happened twice. The first time was in nineteen hundred sixty and the second in nineteen hundred sixty-two. As in the first · time, we were in San Francisco a week prior to the sisters leaving for Korea. Sister Jeanne Malloy( at this time Sr. Jeanne's name was Sr. Emmanuel)&#13;
and Sister Jeremy Mahla were the sisters in the second group which went to Korea. Sister Catherine Mary Malloy, Sister of Sister Jeanne Malloy stayed with us at St. Pancratius and was able therefore to see her Sister off to Korea from San Francisco. Sr. Catherine Mary was stationed at the time in Arizona, which probably made it more possible to do this. These two&#13;
experiences...seeing the Sisters off to Korea were the closest I ever got to Korea at the time. I was one of the two hundred who had volunteered to go to Korea.&#13;
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SMAS: Before I do, I think it would be worthy of note for the history of the Community to point out that St. Pancratius was a welcoming place not just for the Sisters who were going to Korea, but for anyone who would like to come and see the many interesting sites. In fact, the layout of the convent was such that provisions were made for people to stay at the convent while enjoying their stay in Lakewood. There was a suite of rooms near the front entrance. That doesn't mean it was public. Without entering the convent area, there was room for visitors to stay. That particular feature was added to the convent at St. Therese's in Phoenix, Arizona.	Sister Marian Grace's parents came and stayed on occasion. Sister M. Ethelreda Merz, Sister Helen Marie Haley, and I were delighted , being drivers to go back over and over to "Disney Land" and other points of interest. As far as "Disney Land" goes, the father of one of our students at St. Pancratius was an executive there, so we used his gift to us freely and frequently.&#13;
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SMAS: No. There wouldn't be any need to do this as the children have already been there. They could tell us about "Disney Land."&#13;
St. Pancratius was a young parish. It was opened in nineteen fifty-four. The Sisters who were the first to go there...Sister Macaria Nestor, Sister Mary Amy Connelly, and I'm not sure of the others&#13;
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Pancratius in nineteen sixty. So, we were doing things for the first time. I can remember being invited to Baptisms, which I hadn't been to for years, not even in my own family. We were doing things for the first time with Father Kelty, the Pastor. Every Sunday morning, the year round without exception, after the six thirty AM Mass, the men of the parish served coffee, do-nuts, rolls and milk for the children. Whole families went to this early Mass. From there, they could go to the beach or mountain, etc. The men, with no women around, would have Fund Raisers for the athletic programs for both boys and girls. We had good athletic programs.&#13;
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SMAS: When I was there, the enrollment was nine hundred. There were eleven Sisters. Sister Barbara Coyle was there and she was a great help. I remember Sisters Carita Shields and Eileen Johnson each had about sixty children in their first grades. When I became weary or overwhelmed, I used to go and sit in the back of the first grade to cheer myself up. I didn't teach regularly. I ventured teaching English Composition from eighth, seventh,&#13;
sixth, fifth, fourth, and third grades. I don't think I went lower than the third grade. SMCM: Sister, would you like to tell us anything about the Beatification trip to Rome?&#13;
It was in 1963 that the Sisters were elected to go to the Beatification of Elizabeth Seton. We traveled in pairs. My partner was Sister Vincent de Paul Kramer. We were in Rome for eight days.	There was a side trip offered which would have taken us to some of the other countries. Sister Vincent de Paul and I chose to stay in Rome, one of the reasons being that there was a triduum of Masses which were traditionally offered following the beatification of a saint. These Masses were celebrated at different churches in the area. I remember one was celebrated at St. Paul's outside the walls. The speakers were all excellent. One in particular I remember was Monsignor John Middleton. He was the pastor at St. Peter's church on Barclay Street in New York. Monsignor Middleton and the priest homilist at the second one of these Masses were excellent. The third one (couldn't hear him) was alright, but couldn't measure up to the first two. It was March when we were there. One of the evenings, Cardinal Spellman had invited all ofus to a celebration. It was teeming rain and very dark outside. The buses were lined up in the street to take us back to our hotel. The name of our hotel was the "Ritz." Well as miserable as things were, a funny thing did happen. A Sister who was a Daughter of Charity rapped on the bus door. It was during the time when the sisters wore the big, white wings. Hers of course at this point were quite droopy. The bus driver opened the door and announced that it was the bus going to our hotel...the Ritz. When he said this, she responded: "And I'm Queen Victoria!" The Beatification&#13;
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ceremony itself was unforgettable. I do have about seven minutes of moving pictures taken during our eight days in Rome. The film was given to me by one of the parents at St. Pancratius. When I returned he ( the parent) spliced and edited the film. This material will be handed into the Archives at Caritas Christi, when I'm ready to give it up. I had taken a picture of Pope John XXIII, before finding the sign advising that no cameras were allowed at this particular area.&#13;
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SMAS: Six years. I was on the Council from 1963-1969 with Mother Victoria Brown. Sister Theodosia Murtha was Assistant. I was Secretary. Sr. Theodosia resigned sometime during those six years, and Sister Richard Ann Watson was elected by the Council to take her place. Sister Anne Michaele Reilly was the Community Treasurer. Sister Alberta Sweeney, my dear friend was also on the Council. Sr. Alberta was my first grade teacher.&#13;
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SMCM: Was there anything else you would like to say about your six years on the Council? SMAS: Well, there was one new mission. I believe Sister said that it was Holy Trinity up in North Huntington. I remember so well the Pastor (couldn't get his name) coming and asking for sisters, not to teach in the school, but to do CCD work. It wasn't done in the usual CCD manner that we were accustomed. It involved home visiting, adult education, and regular CCD classes. We weren't sure what sisters we had who were trained for this kind of work. During those six years, I participated in teaching CCD on Saturdays and Sundays at Sutersville. We talked a number of times about who would be prepared for this ministry. Sister Helen Cecilia Dwyer's name came up as sister had done quite a bit regarding CCD teaching.	Sr. Helen Cecilia was a concert pianist. I heard her play the piano very artistically. However, due to having arthritis severely, she was no longer able to do this. At this time, she was teaching History at Holy Innocents High School in Pittsburgh. When I suggested Sr. Helen Cecilia's name to Mother Victoria, she expressed doubt as to whether Sister would want to consider this position, but gave. me permission to talk to Sister. Sister Helen Cecilia so graciously said:" I'd be happy to go wherever I'm sent on mission." I could hardly wait to get back to Seton Hill to report Sister's response. Here, Sister says there were other sisters, but she can't recall their names. (I believe that two of these people may have been...Sister M. Francina Skergan, and Sister M. Eugene&#13;
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O'Donnell.) The program went well. The people in the parish were delighted with the sisters' presence, teaching, and home visiting. Juniata College was there on campus. It is a sectarian college. I went up to Huntingdon for at least two summers for a week's vacation. At the time, the county fair was going on. It was most enjoyable and included all religions. I can't tell you how much they enjoyed and appreciated the sisters.&#13;
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SMAS: No, Father had a residence for them there. I also recall that Sister M. Jane Joyce was there as one the pioneers.&#13;
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SMAS: I'm not really sure, but would take a guess at about ten. The priest who was the pastor was transferred to Johnstown but returned as pastor. He has very warm memories of the Sisters of Charity. There were occasions when he came to Greensburg, such as on festival days and always made it a point to visit at Assumption Hall where Sister Helen Cecilia and Sister Jane were living.&#13;
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SMAS: It's pretty hard to say exactly what I did. I have the history of Project Forward in the file drawer here. Project Forward was funded in the same act of Congress, which in 1965 gave birth for grants and loans for students who needed financial help to further their education beyond high school. The program called "Talent Search" was inserted in that act of Congress as the channel to locate students who would otherwise be missed in other channels. They might be missed because of low income, population, etc. Whatever the reason, we were commissioned to find them. We traveled around doing so. We went to high schools where some of the aforementioned problems existed. Very often we visited homes. People were intimidated by the word "loan." The last thing they needed was another debt. It got us involved in community action. We had six branches. Out of Brownsville, PA, we served three counties, and out of Greensburg, we served three counties. I was involved about twice a year in meetings with personnel from other areas and always came back inspired by the zeal and sacrifices of other project directors. I was the only Sister involved in the program.&#13;
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SMAS: Oh no, that's one of the altruistic aspects of Project Forward. To the credit of Seton Hill College and the Sisters of Charity, the property which had been St. Philomena's Shrine was , donated for the project forward program. Right now, I'm not sure of the legal status of the office.&#13;
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SMAS: Sister Marie Corona, I have several significant reasons for mentioning the "Eucharistic Congress" in 1976. It was the Bicentennial Year as you know, and therefore the city of Philadelphia was full of patriotic as well as religious climate would be the word to use. For those reasons, there must have been seven, eight, or possibly nine who went as a group from Seton Hill, and we stayed at the homes of two of the Dolan family. That is Sister Julia Teresa Dolan's family. One of her brothers settled there some years ago, and about four ofus stayed with Al and Betty Dolan. The others stayed in the home of their daughter, Mary. Mary and her husband and five children had gone to the shore that week. They permitted us to use their home. These homes were close to the railroad station, which made it convenient for us to go to downtown, Philadelphia. Another reason for remembering this is because of a group of Sisters which I spoke about previously and had interviewed in Lakewood, California. There were forty-eight of them in the community at that time. The entire group came by bus all the way across the country for the Eucharistic Congress. The bus was a gift, as was the driver. When they stopped for fuel, they used a credit card, which was also a gift, which gives you some idea of the esteem in which they were held by the Archdiocese of LosAngeles. This group of Sisters were Hungarian. The translation of the name of their Community is: "Society Devoted to the Sacred Heart." They were founded in the nineteen forties in Budapest. They were University women who devoted themselves, their time, energy etc., to religious education. There are many schools in Europe like our own. Not only did they teach, they prepared the materials which they used...albums, books, pictures, etcetera. They printed them professionally. They did this in Budapest.  However, not too long after they were organized, Hungary was taken over by the Soviet Union. They had to go underground. Before doing this, they agreed to scatter before they met possibly in a year's time in Holland. There was no set date, but the group waited until all thirteen (I believe that was the number they started out as) met. They spent that year trying to help ministers, clergy, catholic and&#13;
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non-catholics to escape. The primary price was on the Sisters' heads. They were the main target. Eventually, the group did arrive in Holland and there they did many kinds ofwork...store clerks, cleaning, etc. to earn enough money to take them further. They managed to get to England, where again they did odd jobs to earn money. When they earned enough money, they managed to get themselves over to Canada. In Canada, which was more catholic than any of the places they had been, they set up a printing press. They printed church bulletins, church programs and any other odd printing jobs they could. In the meantime, they had their "ears open" for a diocese in the United States that would be willing to adopt them. This didn't take long. Cardinal McIntyre in Los Angeles welcomed them to the archdiocese and gave them a house to live in. Now, there must be fifty or sixty of them, are in charge of Religious Education in the archdiocese. They still produce tapes and albums, work with films, are on television, etc. During the summer months when they are not involved in teaching, they conduct retreats for boys and their families. There is a wonderful  resort in "Bear Rocks" with several cottages. It's in Benadali California....wonderful place to escape the heat. I was privileged in 1987, when I was on my way to Japan and Korea to stay there with the sisters. It luckily was a break between two family retreats. Twenty-five of the sisters were getting ready to take care of ninety-five people who were coming to make retreat. Everything is beautifully organized. In the forty some years since they were founded, they have not lost one. sister by death.&#13;
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SMAS: When I first went to St. Pancratius in Lakewood, California, it just happened that these sisters taught the teachers of religious education, which we know as CCD. They had instruction centers in various parts of the archdiocese. St. Pancratius was the center for the whole Long Beach area.&#13;
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SMAS: I don't think there's anything very exciting to tell you about that. I know that I had come to the end of eleven years at "Project Forward." In 1979, we at Project Forward had to get to work on a new three year proposal. We used to have to write a new one every year, but I think this was the second time we were going to write up a proposal lasting three years, if the money held out that long. I had in my mind at that time that if the Community had any other thing for me to do, this would be a time for me to indicate my willingness to do it. This was in the Fall of 1979, and I didn't hear anything. Then in the Spring of 1980, Sister Baptista Madden contacted me to say that there was another sister interested in the work at Project Forward. That was Sister Mary Philip Aaron , who I believe was at Seton La Salle High School at the time. She has a real gift for the type of work done at Project Forward and now in the Financial Aid Office at Seton Hill. I agreed of course that Sister Mary Philip should take over. In the meantime, I was interviewed by Sister Patrice Hughes informally some place in Jeannette. She hired me to teach English at Greensburg Central. I found myself missioned to Greensburg Faculty as a full time English teacher. That was five periods a day for five years. After that, I reduced it to four, and then my last year there, I decided that three was enough. That would have been 1986-1987. ( I couldn't understand what Sister was saying for a few lines after the above.)-&#13;
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SMAS: Chronologically, I did this before teaching at Greensburg Central. I don't recall exactly how it got started. I do know, I guess, and this would have been 1970, there was the prison quite near and quite large, down on Route 119 as you go toward Youngwood, but closer to Greensburg. I was alone at first. At that time, there was one section which was intended to be for Juveniles. In this particular section at that time, there were four women confined there temporarily until their sentencing came through, whatever that process is. I had known the matron there for some time. She and her husband were parishioners at Our Lady of Grace. I can't remember their names at this time, but it may come to me. Our paths had crossed at some point. She called Project Forward and asked if there could be anything done for these women during this time of waiting. They're going to be here three or four months. Perhaps they could get a little bit of educational instruction, so that this time wouldn't be lost.&#13;
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SMAS: Oh yes, I went to Project Forward in 1969 and was there until 1980. So, I went down to the prison to interview the four women. They were all in one room. The Matron was there. I explained to the four women the advantages of having a high school certificate. I soon discovered how naive I was. The first woman kept saying: "I can't do that. I have too much on my mind." I learned later that she was there for committing a murder. The second woman said: "This isn't what I need. I need to brush up on shorthand and typing." I was beginning to awaken to needs other than the ones I was pedaling. The third one really surprised me. What I want are voice lessons. Right away Mrs. Sclerbee ( what it sounds like) spoke up and said: "That's right, Sister. Ifwe didn't have Audrey for the campus service in the morning and the interdenominational service in the afternoon there wouldn't be anything. She has a beautiful voice." The fourth&#13;
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woman just sat there and said nothing as she was just going to be there two or three weeks. When I said I would see what I could do about the woman needing shorthand and typing, and the one who wanted voice lessons, the woman who said that she had too much on her mind spoke up and said: "If you really want to know what I want, it's piano lessons." I said: "I'll see what I can do about that." For the piano, I have a niece who had Polio from birth. She used a cane and had braces, but she could drive. She was a senior at Greensburg Central. She too had piano lessons from Sister Mary Eleanor Frederick. I think I went to a piano recital for ten years. Sr. Mary Eleanor had her recitals at Seton Hill. So I thought Shannon (what it sounds like), would be happy to teach the piano lessons. As it turned out, her parents told me it was a great thing for Shannon because it being her senior year, thoughts were on prom, car, cabaret, party, etc. Some of this she could be part of, but popular as she was, she couldn' t be part of all of it. The typing and shorthand was taken care ofby Sister Margaret Louise Callahan. The girl didn' t have any shorthand, so it turned out to be typing only.	Sister Helen Muha arranged for the voice lessons to be taught. One of her senior students who had just such a desire taught the voice lessons. We had three noisy courses being taught in the same room, which happened to be the chapel. So, we had a piano, a typewriter, and voice lessons going on at the same time. After so many lessons, the girl who taught voice took the group elsewhere and had them all singing. What this did to me, and I've thought of it many times, it showed me that these people who we think are down, deprived, disadvantaged, all of those words. That is not so. The Fine Arts are in everybody's life, whether you study cultures from Adam and Eve on down to the present, or whether you study the Fine Arts yourself, or you find someone who excels, all ofus can do or can enjoy. do enjoy. The Fine Arts are not a luxury. They' re part of our human system. You don' t just get gifts of bread and butter. You get dessert too! At any rate, one of the times I was down there because of these women, I was at the "control", which is what you have to go through to get in, when Father Gurl, a T.O.R. from Loretto came. He was stationed, I believe at St. Agnes in Pittsburgh. He was a large, booming man. When he saw me, he said: "Sister, what in the world can you do about getting some singing into our Sunday morning liturgies? Can you get some sisters to come down here?" That's how it started. I think that was in 1970 or 1971.&#13;
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Sr. Mary Agnes taught English and sometimes Social Studies, Sister Patrice Hughes taught there. I'm having a hard time remembering everyone and what they taught. Nevertheless, we did this two or three evenings a week. We had two groups of five sisters doing this on these evenings. In 1980, it happened probably providentially that because of the union, volunteers were not permitted to teach at the prison.. There was a paid GED teacher for the daytime, but volunteers were not permitted to be in the capacity of teaching. This eased the situation for me, as it was in 1980 that I was sent to Greensburg Central, and I didn' t feel able to handle both positions. This also worked out well for Sister Edith Strong who was asked to teach some evening classes at Seton Hill College. We were still welcome and still are as volunteer teachers, but we didn't belong. We did in fact continue to attend the Sunday morning liturgies and occasionally an evening service.	Sister Mary Helen Meyer and her mother and I used to go to the Liturgy on Sunday mornings until more sisters came to Greensburg Central meaning that more drivers were needed. Sister Edie Strong still goes there for Liturgy on Sundays and on Thursday evenings when they have some sort of service (I couldn't make out what kind). Meantime, that prison has tripled in size and went from being a minimum to a whatever is in the middle is called. It is not a maximum facility. In 1972, Father Vincent Rocco, now deceased, was the Chairman for Justice and Peace. At that time, it was called human rights. Sister Dorothy Marie Quigley was a board member on this committee, as was I. Father Rocco is the one who dreamed up and carried out a program known as "Operation Outward Reach." It was a program for men who were in the last six months of their sentence who showed potential for the building trade	specifically carpentry&#13;
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just coming from.	The first ones I recall hearing about was "Smock" ( difficult to hear). Very few persons around here were familiar with this name. However, people bought all these houses for a song as they had been shorn up nicely, and the companies had gone bankrupt. This project is still being carried out. Recently, I went to a dedication of a senior citizen complex in New Kensington which had been rebuilt from the basement up in masonry and carpentry. These men do not do the electrical or plumbing. They do prepare the lines which will be used for these utilities. Every six months they give twenty men this opportunity for a six month period just before his sentence is up. They've had very few drop outs on the program. Their potential is studied of course before the men are selected for the program. They have the same program now up in the state prison in Huntingdon and as of the Fall of 1987, the state prison in Mercer. The same Board is responsible for all three. It's incorporated. Father Bundt (sounds like) is on that Board. He is the treasurer. lam also on the Board.&#13;
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SMAS: Yes. Many of the men came ABE, which is adult basic education from third, fourth, and fifth grade reading levels. In the first months of their incarceration, they could work themselves up to the GED level. We of course prepared them for.the test. If they passed, they received a certificate from Harrisburg equivalent to a high school diploma. That's what GED means. These&#13;
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SMAS: I would say that most of them were between the ages of eighteen and thirty. They were well behaved. We had a classroom on the second floor...no policeman protecting us or looking in on us. Most of the men were studious. The ones who weren't too interested in the course work were interested in receiving that piece of paper. The passing score was two hundred twenty five points. I won't explain all of that. We had points as high as three hundred thirty-five.&#13;
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SMAS: Well, it seems to me that we taught them the year round. In the summertime, we taught during the daytime. They took the test when they were ready. The test was given rather frequently in the institution itself. Other persons on the outside, we had GED programs through Project Forward. Those people would take their test down at Community College. I couldn't hear what Sister said about meeting at the "Coffee House" next to Bethel.	Church as the first meeting&#13;
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SMAS: I'm not sure whether it was Bishop Wiliiam G. Connare or Monsignor Norbert Gaughan, who was not yet bishop.&#13;
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SMAS: I was on this Committee for about five years. I was stationed at Greensburg Central at the time. I don't want to be disrespectful, but I can tell you a funny little story connected with this. A few months ago, before the end of 1987, I was talking to one of the priests at the Chancery Office. These appointments are for the calendar year. When I told this priest that I didn't have this· commission in writing, He said: "Sister, don't you know that these assignments go on forever?" I knew that. It involved going to Harrisburg, PA three times a year. My second appointment was going to run out by 1987. That part of the assignment I have in writing from Bishop Connare. It's a two year assignment. We knew by this time that Bishop Anthony Bosco was coming to replace Bishop Connare. (This part of the tape is confusing, and also somewhat contradictory.) At any rate, it lasted for about five years. Meantime, Father Rocco died, as I say without permission.&#13;
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Monsignor Schuda sent a wonderful letter giving some points which he wanted to make, but couldn' t come to the meeting. We just thrashed out some needs of the area which we could do something about, whether we did it or we got others to do it, or we asked the Bishop to do it. It was partly the second step for us. We as a Commission did a good bit of studying and thrashing about among ourselves the message that was in the Bishops Pastoral Letter. Several ofus had small group meetings. I had four or five of them. Father Sedlack had a series of meetings at the Cathedral. Up in Lower Burrell, at St. Margaret Mary' s, one of the layman on the commission had meetings. The next step was to look into local needs. Every need that came out in our discussions, as you would expect, was related to the Pastoral	poverty, unemployment, farming,&#13;
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SMAS: They were recommended . Then, it was the Bishop who sent them word as to whether or not they were chosen. Every diocese in the United States has a "Justice and Peace" Commission.&#13;
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SMAS: Sister, this is going to be a story hour. Anything I know about Elizabeth Seton that happens to be in print, I'm going to omit. My first visit to Emittsburg, which was what sparked my devotion to Elizabeth Seton took place in the summer of 1938. I was teaching in Altoona at that time. Our principal was Sister Hildegarde Eichenlaub. Bishop Guilfoyle wanted to have a sodality for both boys and girls from the eighth grade in Cathedral School. He had asked us to attend a class in Washington, DC, which was given by Father Lord, the priest in charge of catholic action. (I'm going to omit some ofthis as it hasalready been said on previous tapes.) Sister Hildegarde was a graduate of the Academy at Seton Hill. One of her classmates, whom I believe is deceased, was a Daughter of Charity. Sister Hildegarde arranged to go to Emmitsburg from&#13;
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Washingon, DC to visit this friend. I, being a very young sister happily tagged along. I remember we stayed at least one overnight. I know that I was already in bed in one of the dormitories, when a dear little sister pulled my curtain aside, and, trying not to break night silence whispered to me: "Sister, when the bell rings at four thirty tomorrow morning, you don't have to get up. You can sleep until five thirty." I spent my time down there, simply roaming around. Sr. Hildegarde and her friend visited, leaving me lots of time to do this. That's my only recollection of that first visit. I'm going to move ahead until about twenty years later. In the meantime, I had been there on various occasions. In 1959, I was at Saint Luke's in Carnegie. One of the seniors, Diane Gates was dying from leukemia. In those days, leukemia was a shocking word. Apparently, there was nothing around to help this disease at that time. Diane did not graduate, but there was a highpoint in her life which I would like to emphasize, and would never forget. In the senior class play, which was written by Sister Cecilia Ward, Diane beautifully played the role of Elizabeth Ann Seton. We had everyone praying to Elizabeth Seton for Diane, including Diane herself It was a beautiful production. Diane didn't live very long. She enrolled in Duquesne University, but died in the middle of her first year. I still hear from Diane' s family. During the nineteen fifties, I don' t remember how the appointment happened, but there was a vocation committee comprised of sisters involved in part time vocation work: Sisters along the eastern coast of the United States were part of this, not just the Sisters of Charity, but also the Blessed Sacrament Sisters, and the Sisters of Mercy from Dobb's Ferry in New York. This was the community that Catherine Seton, Mother Seton's daughter belonged to. She entered at the age offourty-four. She had been living with her brother and acting pretty much like a hostess in his social affairs after his wife died. At any rate, she joined the Sisters of Mercy in New York. She was attracted to the community by their work in the prison...Sing Sing. I was able to procure, as a gift from the Archives of the Dobb's Ferry Sisters of Mercy charming stories about her work in the prison. She received a chest one time , after she was about eighty and retired, which was thought to be something to be given to the poor. However, when it was opened, it contained bars, (couldn' t determine) all the tools needed to commit burglary. There was a note on top telling sister that at last he had gone straight and wanted her to have these items to remember him by. There is another story about Sister Catherine Seton's death. She died at the age of ninety-one. Her nephew, Bishop Robert Seton, and her niece who also later entered this community came to see her. She said to them: "Darlings, you will never guess who came to see me last night." She went on to tell them that someone had come and stood at the foot of her bed. At frrst, she thought it was one of the sisters from her community. When I saw the profile and that she was wearing a cap on her head, I knew that it was my mother. I said to myself: "Of course, why wouldn't my mother come to see me when I'm sick? She did that when I was a child. She died that evening. I also have a book, for future reference, given to me by the Archivist, entitled "His Mercy Endures Forever" similar to the one written by Sister Electa Boyle, which contains information about the many things Sister Catherine Seton did. She was their frrst candidate and a member of the community for forty-five years. In 1963, when I was at St. Pancratius in California, it was my blessed privilege to go to Rome for the Beatification of Elizabeth Ann Seton. This was all arranged at Seton Hill. My companion was Sister Vincent de Paul Baker. Her good friend Sister Agnes Marie Reuben was in the group. Her companion was Sister Jean Wilburn, whom I had taught in grade school. {The next part of this tape recalling the event which all were invited by Cardinal Spellman has already&#13;
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been recorded on another tape.) On January 4 1968, Mother Richard Ann Watson and I were again pleased to go to Emmitsburg to attend the transfer of Mother Seton's relic. It was the happiest funeral occasion that anyone would possibly experience. After her body had been exhumed before the Canonization, her relics were place in a bronze coffin, it was just a child's coffin, and for a while was placed above the altar in the college chapel. When the big building, which we know now as the Provincial House was completed, the coffin was transferred over to the huge shrine on January 4, 1968. It was snowy and icy, but was a pleasant day. The coffin was actually carried by four ofthe seminarians from Mt. St. Mary's. It was an impressive event. The Archbishop of Baltimore was present. The seminarians seemed to be thrilled to have the privilege of carrying Mother Seton's coffin. A couple of years later, through some vocation awareness arrangement, I was staying with a Daughter of Charity from Emmitsburg, who was Director of Vocations. I was part time Vocation Director. We visited a few of the schools there to discuss religious life and religious community, with the eighth grade girls, especially Mother Seton' s Community. I honestly don' t know the name of the school. There were three rooms of.every grade. Because of what the experience was that sister and I had, neither one ofus remember information about the school. We had pictures and films to show. I believe we had ready a very nice presentation. When we arrived at the school, the principal showed us the auditorium. It was quite large. I did say to the principal: "I know your teachers like to have a little time off once in a while, so it won't be necessary for them to attend the presentation with the students." Sister and I went to the auditorium  and set up our p phernalia ·.	Believe it! Believe it! The children, both boys and girls came in in silent lines, beginning with the first grade. Little first graders sat up in the front seats. There was a teacher with every contingent. They filled the auditorium. We were prepared for eighth grade girls only. We just muttered something to each other and quickly changed things. We showed some slides and pictures. The. children returned just as quietly to their classrooms. We knew it was a fizzle! We didn't even talk to each other as we gathered up our paraphernalia. We did stop in the office as a matter of courtesy. While w·e were there, there was a noise just outside the office door and in, I have to say, anteloped a tall young priest into the office. He said: "I hear there are some Mother Seton Sisters here. Believe me, when I hear there are any Mother Seton Sisters for the rest of my life, I want.to meet them, because I want them to know who I am." He was one of the four seminarians who had carried Mother Seton's coffin to her last resting place. Sister and I went away jubilant, forgetting all about the disappointment of our presentation. What he did, was something worth treasuring.&#13;
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Sister Helen Muha and the Music Department were getting ready for the Christmas concert. They planned on dedicating it to Elizabeth Seton . They also planned on having an announcement at Intermission about the date. There were also other celebrations. I was beginning to be concerned that we were making too much ofit. I don' t know why I was chosen to take care of this. We were told that we weren't to announce this, and that there was to be no news release until the Holy Father said it to those gathered in St. Peter's at his noon address. Noon means six o'clock in the&#13;
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morning for us. Bishop Connare had already told us that he would alert us. There had been an alert set up on December fourteenth for this purpose. I called Monsignor Thomas Klinzing, Chancellor of the diocese and asked him what would be the appropriate way to celebrate the announcement about Elizabeth Seton. I planned this question very carefully, but regretted it later. However, a few days later, we were gathered at St. Leonard's in Monessen for the funeral of Monsignor Martin O'Toole. After the funeral, we were gathered in clusters in the parking lot.&#13;
Beside me was a group of priests, one of which was Monsignor Klinzing. I heard him say: "Sister Mary called (meaning me) and asked what the appropriate way would be to celebrate the announcement of Elizabeth Seton's Canonization?" And, I said to her: "Have a beer bust!" She then said: "May I please speak to Bishop Connare?" It just did not happen that way! When I returned to Seton Hill, I met Sister Mary Schmidt and said: "Oh, Sister Mary, you have quite a reputation." This was very confusing! Possibly Monsignor Klinzing thought he was speaking to Sister Mary Schmidt.&#13;
In 1975, 1976, and 1977, I was still in charge of Project Forward. One of the men who was in charge of Talent Search, the federal name for Project Forward, from way down in the mountains of Virginia, Jim P (couldn't make out the rest), and I became friendly. I was very much interested in his hobby. He had quite a business, collecting and selling old books. The name of his store was: "Bookworm and Silver Fish, Incorporated." He was curious about Elizabeth Seton. He would save Metropolitan, as well as diocesan papers containing stories about her life and canonization. I could always be certain that any time we met, we would get into discussions about Elizabeth Seton. He called himself a black protestant. He Was not black, but wanted me to know they he wasn' t catholic. He questioned about relics. He said: "Don' t you run out ofr esources?" He was serious and reverent about this. At any rate, he was impressed by what he read in the papers. Every once in a while I would receive an old book from him. I have Volume I and Volume II of what is called "The Story of the Mount." It was based on the Annals. It's a very gossipy kind of story and is the history of Mt. St. Mary's. He saw the Seton name on these books. Another time, he gave me a book about "The Hundredth Anniversary Book of St. Peter's Cathedral", a church then. It came out in 1934 commemorating the founding of that parish and the first school. He sent the book because in the middle of it is a full page picture of Elizabeth Seton. He knew she would have had something to do with it. Sure enough, "The Daughters of Charity" had the school. Sister Margaret George, whom we all know about, was the first principal. It's really a precious book, almost falling apart. The most impressive of the books that he sent	there's reference January 6, 1804 or 1805, when Elizabeth Seton was almost despairing.&#13;
She was low with the decisions she had to make about becoming a catholic. She said that she took from the shelf a copy of "Bordeleau's Sermons". He was a French priest. She turned to the one for that feast...the Epiphany. There is a phrase in it that goes something like: "Oh you who have lost the star of Faith." Then it goes on to guide and console	someone who would feel as&#13;
she did at that time. Jim, my friend would not have known about Bordoleau and certainly not the Epiphany. This was at the time when my niece and her husband in Baltimore were killed in a plane crash. It was 1979. It was terrible. We went down there. There were no remains. It was a wooded area cordoned off. It was in February. The weather was terrible...very cold. There was no funeral. No one knew what to say. They were the hardest three days I have ever spent. When we came back, we were still very low. Do you know that in my mail when I got home was a copy&#13;
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In October of 1975, we were invited to St. Joseph's Parish in Dover, OH. Sister Maria Theda Hisrich is from that parish. People from there know about Seton Hill. Other than that, I'm not sure why we were invited. It had to do of course with the canonization of Mother Seton. It was just a month after.· The pastor was one of the Capuchins from Pittsburgh. We talked at the Masses, to parents, visited the school, etc. What matters is not these things, but the day we arrived and visited the church, our attention was just riveted on what would have been the Blessed Mother's Altar off to the side. ·There was a life size window image of Elizabeth Ann Seton so to speak, which was lighted.  Down on the left, it read: "A saint is someone, and on the right that the light shines through." Father told us that as he made his rounds through the school before we arrived, he would ask in the different rooms...What is a saint? It was one of the children in first or second grade who said: "A saint is someone who the light shines through." The windows in the church were Franciscan saints. I'm sure the children were taught about these saints and probably toured the church. Therefore, it was natural for them to think that a saint is someone who the light shines through. It's certainly a perfect image. I've used it a number of times ever since.&#13;
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The weekend of Valentine's Day in 1976, chosen because it was the College Spring Break, eleven of us traveled in two cars on what we called "The Tin Cup" pilgrimage to New York. I called it this because we were traveling as inexpensively as possible. We stayed at my brother's home, which is in the upper part of New Jersey. I had arranged for him to be the leader. He and his wife, and I led the other two cars. We covered a lot of territory in those two days: Staten Island, St. Andrew's was there, several churches in Manhattan, and even got up to New Rochelle. I mentioned Staten Island where St. Andrew's church is, and it is the original church. Elizabeth Seton's grandfather was the pastor of St. Andrew's. We had not arranged previously with anyone at any of these places to be a tour guide. However, when we arrived at St. Andrew's, there was a funeral service going on in the cemetery. It so happened that the funeral was for a parishioner who had died and whose body was brought back for burial. We were just looking at the tombstones, waiting perhaps to see the priest. We·didn' t have to wait long. Father Sprieter ( if that's the correct spelling) came over to talk to us. He was one of the two U.S. Episcopal delegates at the canonization. Well, it was perfect! He was very familiar with the history of St. Andrew's church and especially of Mother Seton's mother's family, whose father had been the pastor at St. Andrew's. We noted in the church bulletin that during Lent, there would be a communion service two or three times a week. We mentioned to Father who already knew that for the monthly communion service at Trinity Episcopal, Mother Seton and her sister-in- law wouldn't miss it, and hurried then to attend another communion service at St. Paul's, which was a mission church of Trinity. Do you know what Father Sprieter's remark to this was? He said: Oh&#13;
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We took in on the visit (inaudible), which is much like Our Lady of Mercy church in downtown Pittsburgh.	Again we had not planned on meeting anybody, but the pastor came into the church. He was interested in who we were. He went into the sacristy, put on his cassock and surplus and came out and  we had a prayer service.  Sister Barbara Smelko started  us out singing "What Light Is This?" We hardly got through it with the tears that it brought to our eyes. It was so thrilling...unplanned. We went to Calvary Cemetery.  There are four or five Calvary Cemeteries right  along the edges of  Long Island.  We knew that Catherine  Seton, Mother  Seton's daughter and her grand niece were buried there. We did know that it was in "Calvary Cemetery," Number One. We had arranged to have someone direct us. Ifwe had just been on our own, it would have been hopeless to find it. We were directed to the plot. The Sisters of Mercy must have been scattered in that early time of the cemetery. There is a large cross there listing the names of the sisters, including Sister Catherine Seton, and also the grand niece whose name was also Sister Catherine Seton.&#13;
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We went up to New Rochelle at a house where Elizabeth Seton's( Betty Bayley) uncle lived. The house is very fancy. It's quite a picturesque, historical site.  It was then occupied  by an elderly couple who owned  it.  Sister Edith Strong had written ahead noting  that  we knew it  was her private home, but we would very much like to visit it. Sure enough, the lady did respond for us to come. The house is not the original.  Two things are: One, the wine pantry  above the  wine cellar, the original pantry that her uncle Will Bayley had. Then in a couple of the rooms, like the living room, there were pictures. I don't know who in the family these persons were, but the husband's picture was in one room, and the wife's in the other. The woman who owned  the  house now said that perhaps  they didn't talk much  to each other  We visited  the  local cemetery,  the D.A.R.(sounds like). It was still Decoration Day, so we put a flag on Uncle Will Bayley's grave.&#13;
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From here, we move to 1978, 1979, the first five years after the canonization. You might remember that the canonization prayer was on all the prayer cards and was used at the collect of the Mass for Mother Seton's canonization. The expression: "learn to express our love for God in service for our fellow men and women" was used. Quite a few ofus objected to this. In the first place, there was no prayer addressed to Elizabeth Seton either honoring her or about her.&#13;
Children for example aren't going to pray for service to our fellow men and women. It was too formal. Some of us mentioned it to Bishop Connare. He suggested that we get in touch with Father Taggert in Emittsburg, who was still the Vice Postulator. Father Taggert and Bishop Connare had met on an occasion in Emmitsburg, and they had discussed the need. Father Taggert wrote back to me and said that he felt the same way about the prayer. However, he said that at first he did approve of the prayer, the reason being that it did mention women. There was then a&#13;
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revision made which read: "May we learn to express our love for you in love for one another." Bishop Connare did endorse this with a copy of his document indicating that the prayer could be used in the Diocese of Greensburg, signed "William G. Connare." Finally, it went to Archbishop Remberandt Weakland. He was the chairman for the Liturgy Committee for the United States Bishops. It was his suggestion that it came out as it did in the Sacramentary. Whatever way it stands right now came from Archbishop Weakland.&#13;
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Then to Baltimore. This would have been in the l 970's. There was an unusual gentleman there by the name of John Simms. He wasn't a catholic. His profession had to do with silver, crystal, etc. He himself was quite a flamboyant man. Anyhow, John Simms lived about four houses up a side street from Mother Seton's house. That whole area has been declared a historical part.of Baltimore. It's referred to as: "The Seton Hill of Baltimore, although it is not very much of a hill. John Simms was interested in the story of Elizabeth Seton and in the renovation of her house.&#13;
He had money apparently. It was John who commissioned the lovely wood carved statue of Mother Seton to be in the basement chapel. He made the altar cloth which is used in the downstairs chapel. He wanted the best. There were other gifts that he made. He wanted things to be in keeping with the era....historically accurate. He never became a catholic. The nearest he could get was to be in the offertory procession when Father Sullivan, who had charge of Mother Seton's house at the time had Mass. John even went to Rome for the canonization of Mother Seton. His explanation was: "Well gee whiz, if one of your neighbors, four or five houses away is going to receive an honor like that, that's why I went!" John Simms is the one who is responsible for our having an enlargement of the portrait of Mother Seton, which she sat for in the house on Paca Street. He went to New York on occasion. He saw this portrait there in the archives and asked permission to take it clean it up...the glass, the portrait itself He had to make a couple of trips to make himself well known before it was finally entrusted to him. He received excellent references from Father John Sullivan, the Sulpician who had been in charge of Mother Seton's house. At any rate, that's how we happen to have that enlargement, including the latest, which was included on the prayer card. John Simms is dead. He was found dead, and I'm sure he received an unusual kind of welcome into eternity by Elizabeth Seton.&#13;
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In July of 1981,Sister Sara Louise Reilly and I were asked or we volunteered to do collections for Korea in Indiana. We were there two weekends. We must have had four churches. In the intervening days, we found a map on which Sister Sara Louise discovered that we were a short distance from Vincenze. Vincenze is an old, old city which dates back to the days of Lewis and Clark. It's on the banks of the Wabash River. Sister Sara Louise had made an excellent connection with a gentleman who was an archivist for the college there. I didn't realize how historical the city was until we got there. The "Lilly.Fo undation" a few years ago, subsidized a separate building for Bishop Brute's books. You recall, he had an extensive library in France. He was a medical doctor besides being a theologian. In several contingents, you might say, his books were finally moved from France to Maryland. He became Bishop ofVincenze in 1834. He wanted, of course, to have his precious library there. That library I would say had over seven hundred volumes or more. It is located in an especially built, air-conditioned building by "The Lilly Pharmaceutical Foundation." Sister Sara Louise, as I said had made connections with an&#13;
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archivist  there in the education  department of the college.	The woman who was in charge of the library in the college was also very gracious.   We were permitted to examine  most of Bishop Brute's books...actually hold them in our hands. He had his name..S. Brute on the inside cover of most of his books. We had in our hands a bible, which belonged to him I guess, but was loaned to Mother Seton. She had notes in it. It went back to him after her death.  I think that's how the exchange was made. There were cases on the main floor, which had cupboards containing his vestments,  his crozier, portraits, etc.  It was just a very thrilling return of Bishop Brute and  Elizabeth Seton back in the Emmitsburg days. We loved it.&#13;
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One of the most memorable, and I've had many pilgrimages to Emmitsburg, for was with Sister Margie Nolan (no longer in the community) and the young people in her special religious education program in Wheeling, WV. We had arranged for them to have two nights at Mount St. Mary's. They gave us a dormitory on the ground level. Among them there were seven or eight disabled persons. That may not sound like many, but seven or eight disabled people require about four or five caretakers. One was blind, who incidentally was a lector at her parish church. She read from Braille. There were two young men who had been injured in automobile accidents which left them partially paralyzed. The young man who was driving under the influence of alcohol, is somewhat crippled, and his speech is affected. He uses a cane. He travels around the country visiting schools speaking against the use of alcohol while driving. It is part of what has become the nationwide slogan. "Just say no!" Another girl was in a wheel chair. Each one had serious disabilities. We used the cafeteria in Mt. St. Mary's. If you've been down there, you know that it's a long trek, if you use a cane, crutches, and you need someone to guide you. We spent two days visiting the places in Emmitsburg. They were full of questions. The first night that we were there, tired and all, we had a film on Elizabeth Seton. They opened up the social room for us at Mt. St. Mary's. The second night, we had a question and answer session, which lasted well into the night. That was an especially memorable pilgrimage, and I've kept in touch with that group since. They absorbed, admired, and loved Elizabeth Seton.&#13;
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Finally, I'm going to stop at this point. This year, 1989, Genevieve Blatt invited us to the fifteenth annual birthday party in honor of Elizabeth Seton at the end of August in Harrisburg. Genevieve Blatt, with her Mother Seton Club invited many young people whose name is Elizabeth Ann to come to the event. I'm not sure where she got the many young girls who attended. I went down there in 1979 ( I would presume) to Harrisburg with my niece, Beth Ann Johnson, as we know her. We have pictures of her taken there with Genevieve Blatt and with Bishop Hogan, Bishop of Altoona, who happened to be the Celebrant for the Mass for the occasion. One of the following years, Beth Ann's parents received a letter, inviting her again to the annual birthday party. Beth Ann's mother wrote to Genevieve Blatt and explained that Beth Ann died on the tragic Pan Am plane flight over  Locherbk, Scotland on December 21, 1988.     Beth Ann's mother mentioned an incident in the letter, saying that they would be forever grateful to Elizabeth Seton, that finally, Beth Ann's body had been found on January 4, 1989. The explosion occurred on December 21, 1988. Within a week, the girl who was with Beth Ann had been identified. I remember that we, Sister Jean Boggs and I were at the home of the girl's parents	Doctor Saracene and wife, when&#13;
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Saracene and his wife worked in the art department at Seton Hill College. This of course had Beth Ann's parents waiting momentarily for a call. When it didn't come for another week, the Sisters in Pittsburgh suggested that the Sisters of Charity all, pray especially to Elizabeth Seton for Beth Ann's remains to be found. Word also went to our Sisters in Arizona and Korea. My sister, Genevieve and I talked about this on January third. I suggested to Genevieve that it would be nice to call Glenn and Carol, Beth Ann's parents and tell them about the special prayer project of The Sisters of Charity. Glenn and Carol were in London. I said : "It would be at least a bright moment for them to know that all the Sisters of Charity are praying." The next afternoon, I received a direct call from Carol in London saying that Elizabeth Seton came through. Beth Ann's parents were both happy to go down to Emmitsburg this past August. It was the only time since the tragedy that they were able to say when they came back that it was wonderful. I'm going to stop here.&#13;
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SMAS: Sister Marie Corona, my recollections of Sister Marie Francis Curran, the sister we are starting with today, is a brief, but very telling one, because it describes the personality of Sister Marie Francis. We were at Saint Simon and Jude in Blairsv ille, PA. This was in the early forties, so I was pretty young. Sister Marie Francis was the housekeeper there. It was far enough away from Seton Hill to be considered on the outskirts of Greensburg. Sister knew that I was just there temporarily, quite a little piece away from my family in Scottdale, and had just come from having surgery. She was particularly considerate. The one story I remember so vividly about her was that each day she would come out to the front porch of the convent. She knew recess time, which was when she did this. She would wave to me, and when she got my attention, she would hold up one finger or two fingers. If she could hold up three fingers, she almost jumped up and down. That meant that I had received mail that day.&#13;
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Sister Norberta Murrin, who died May 16, 1935 is the next sister. Sister Norberta was the supervisor of schools when I was beginning teaching. I was professed in 1935. I was stationed at Sacred Heart. Sister Norberta came for an overnight visit. She had an appointment in East Liberty the next day. I was asked to be her companion. In those days we kept silence on the streets. Since I was companion to the supervisor was the second reason why I kept silence. At any rate, we walked up Center Avenue, came to the intersection of Center and Highland. I kept on walking up Center. Sister Norberta turned up Highland Avenue. I was pretty far up Center&#13;
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Sister Liguori Gillespie, who died June 5, 1931... I knew Sister Liguori for one special, personal reason. She entered several years before me...not sure how many. The first Sister Mary Agnes and the frrst Sister Liguori were blood sisters. I did not ask for Sister Mary Agnes' name. I think it was Sister Mary Paul who suggested it to Mother Mary Francis because she knew that my mother' s name was Mary Agnes. I would never have asked for it. Sister died a couple of weeks after I entered in 1928. I didn' t know Sr. Mary Agnes at the time, nor did I know Sr. Liguori, but I knew that Sr. Mary Agnes had a blood sister living. Sister Liguori was approached, probably by Mother Mary Francis McCullough about my having her sister's name. Her response was: "Yes indeed! I want to see the person who is going to have my sister's name!" I was pleased enough about that, but Sister Liguori seemed to be an assistant to Mother Mary Francis.&#13;
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She was around us novices all the time checking on us and advising us.	That sort of thing. For instance, Sister Liguori would get my laundry every week before I did just to see if there was anything that needed to be mended. I wish I could say that she very graciously mended it for me. She brought whatever piece needed to be mended and showed me how to do it. I had to do it myself. I do recall and appreciate her sensitivity and attention to me just because I had her sister's name.   She was well up in years.	I remember one time in the novitiate at a Sunday morning conference, she held up a dining room service apron. I recognized it right away as mine. She said: "Sister Mary Agnes, what' s wrong with this apron?" I said to her: "Sister, it's too big. Is that what you wanted me to say?" I had pinned down the bib. Unfortunately, I left the pins in. I was in trouble for leaving the pins in to go through the laundry. So much for Sister Liguori.&#13;
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Now Sister Agnes Daugherty who died just three years ago on May 31, 1986. I've known Sister Agnes for many years. I lived with her at St. Luke's in Carnegie. I think I knew Sister Agnes pretty well even before that. She was an eighth grade teacher. Probably our having the same name, Agnes, and her friendly disposition would explain how we happened to be good friends for quite a few years. The five years I was at St. Luke's, Sister Agnes was there.  I'll tell you just one story. Sister Agnes Marie Reuber was there too. She was principal of the grade school.&#13;
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Sister Agnes Geraldine Euler was next to me in the community. She died ten years ago on June 9, 1979. I knew her from nineteen twenty-eight on until she died. She was lively, bright, and loved teaching. She was a successful principal of Sacred Heart Elementary School. She was Supervisor of our elementary schools for many years. Naturally I would remember her last month on earth. Sister died of Cancer. We visited her often...! did at Assumption Hall. She was still the same pleasant; I wouldn't say calm, but lively, interested person she had been all through those years. At the time we were in the novitiate, Sister Agnes Geraldine, Sister Catherine Agnes Holpp, Sister Agnes Louise Green, and Sister Mary Agnes Schildkamp were know as the four noisy Agneses. The only explanation that I can give for this is that one time, we didn't realize the seriousness of the silence from two o'clock to three o'clock PM in the afternoon. We went down to the orchard where we had a wonderful time. We figured it was out of bounds and were excused from the two o' clock silence. I'm not sure whether or not anyone reported us, but the label "Four Noisy Agneses" stuck with us briefly. I don't think anyone refers to it any more.&#13;
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And now Sister Dominica O' Connor, who died on June 10, 1977. I knew Sister Dominica for a long time. I was with her in the mid thirties at Holy Innocents in Sheraden. That's where I came to know her well. Then later in the fifties, Sister was at Elizabeth Seton High School. At that time she was ill. She had a heart ailment. If there's such a person who is a typical, Irish,&#13;
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gracious, lovely, nun, it would be Sister Dominica O'Connor. She had lots of stories she would tell about the Irish from her own background. Maybe she made them up. She was an excellent teacher. She taught Social Studies. In Sheraden at Holy Innocents, and that would have been 1934, Sister Dominica had an eighth grade. Sister Kathleen Kennedy, who came over from Ireland and I had the two seventh grades, so we were a threesome. I must say that the threesome with me with a name like Schildkamp was an excellent threesome as far as I was concerned. I learned much about teaching from that experience.&#13;
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Sister Mary Cosmas King, who died on June 15, 1983, was born in one of the middle European countries. She did day work. How long she did this before entering, I don't know. Community records would show that. In Hazelwood, she met a woman named Mrs. Marie Peters. Sister Mary Cosmas, who was not yet Sr. Mary Cosmas and Marie became very good friends. I taught in Hazelwood from nineteen thirty until nineteen thirty-three. One of my students was Rita Peters, daughter of Marie. I taught Rita in the eighth grade. She died when she was either a Freshman or Sophomore in high school. It was from an accident. Mrs. Peters and her husband, Joe, grieved very much over the death of Rita. Sister Mary Cosmos, I remember, was a real consolation to Mrs. Peters and her husband at that time. I've kept in touch with Mrs. Peters, who now lives in Aliquippa. Her husband is deceased. My point is, that up until the death of Sister Mary Cosmas, she and Marie Peters kept in touch. Marie visited Sister Mary Cosmas at Assumption Hall. That relationship lasted over thirty or forty years. Sister Mary Cosmas was a housekeeper at St. Stephen's during the early thirties. She was really very good to us. Over half the house were novices, so we had many charges. Sister Mary Cosmas kept us in line. She knew what to do, and showed us how to do it. She was stem, and a little bossy, but I liked Sister Mary Cosmas. She was very good to us.&#13;
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Moving now to Sister Marie Antoinette Reilly. She died on July 13, 1947. I can tell you very little about her. I was at old Sacred Heart down on Center Avenue. At this time, I want to say that she was in charge of the poor. I don' t know what her title was. In Father Coakley' s time, there was a parish set up connected with the St. Vincent de Paul Society for helping the poor. Sister Marie Antoinette worked full time, even though she was she was pretty well up in years. This would have been in the late thirties. My warm recollection of Sister Marie Antoinette was that she was a model for service...always sweet, gentle, and courteous to anyone who came to the door. Some came at ungodly hours. Some coming shabbily dressed. Others not even sober.&#13;
There were two houses which we used as our convent. The frrst floor of one of these houses was used by Sister Marie Antoinette for her work. All ofus admired and knew that Sister Marie Antoinette was giving us an example of St. Vincent de Paul's charity and I'm sure of Elizabeth Ann Seton' s as well. She was an inspiration. I was only there for one year, but I'm glad for that one year' s acquaintance.&#13;
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Now I come to Sister M. Virginia Donnelly. Sister died the year before I entered on July 16, 1927. She was from Scottdale as was I. Our family lived on Fifth Avenue. The Donnelly' s lived on Fourth Avenue. I couldn' t tell you how many times I carried a suitcase for Sister Virginia when she came to visit her parents. Mrs. Donnelly always met us at the door and to&#13;
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thank me gave me a holy card, a statue...something of that sort. There were two daughters in the convent, so I know now that Mrs. Donnelly probably had a good supply. Nonetheless, I did appreciate getting them. Sister Virginia and I walked up from the streetcar stop. We didn' t do much talking, but I thought she was very pretty.&#13;
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Now, coming to Sister Francis Mary Coleman. Sister Francis Mary died on July 21, 1987. My sponsor, we used to call them our spiritual mother, was. Sister Mary Paul Coleman. They were blood sisters. Sister Mary Paul was my teacher in high school at Scottdale. Just because Sister Mary Paul was my sponsor, Sister Francis Mary took great interest in me. I know that she spent many years out West, and that her service out there is on record some where else in the archives. Sister Francis Mary was one of the first sisters I came to know and remember because of her friendliness, and her similarity of course to Sister Mary Paul. Before Sister Francis Mary died, she was at Assumption Hall for a couple of years. I used to visit her. She was blind at that time and couldn' t see. I would only have to start to say this is Sister Mary Agnes. She would say something like: "Oh Sister Mary Agnes, I' m glad to see you." I know that I reminded her of her own Sister Mary Paul. I enjoyed my visits with Sister Francis Mary and marveled at her patience. She was not only blind, but she was incapacitated in other ways.&#13;
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Now, Sister Ildefonse Lambing, who died July 27, 1937. Sister Ildefonse was a blood sister to Father Michael Lambing, who was pastor at St. John' s in Scottdale for fifty years. I didn' t know him of course during his fifty years. He died just a couple of years after I entered, but at the time of my entrance, Sister Ildefonse was missioned to Scottdale. She taught piano. I took piano lessons from Sister Ildefonse. I admired her because I admired Father Lambing. We all did.&#13;
Sister Helen Marie Haley, who entered the year before I, both remember that Sister Ildefonse helped to make some of the clothes we had to take with us when we entered. I know I watched Sister Helen Marie whose quite tall..must be five feet nine or five ten. She was standing on a bench in the convent parlor being measured for the night gowns that we wore. I guess they were percale. I remember thinking at the time that I didn' t want to go to bed looking like that...dressed in that sort of thing. I think it's awful! I was a year younger than Helen. Therefore, I couldn't enter with her. However, a year later, after my junior year at school, I stood on that same bench and let Sister Ildefonse measure me for the same nightgowns.&#13;
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And now, Sister M. Margretta Bernlohr, who died at Assumption 29, 1980. It happened that I and others were making a thirty day retreat at Doran Hall. What I remember almost solely were the trips we made to Assumption Hall to visit Sister Margretta who was dying. She was a little bit of a German sister. She was a real philosopher. Each time we went to see her , about three of us, even though she could hardly talk, she would give us just a few friendly words containing a moral message saying how wonderful it was to reach the point where you think you are going to Heaven, and are sure you will see the face of God. I know that whatever we heard from the retreat masters during these thirty days was made firm and real through our visits to Sister Margretta. Sure enough, she did go up to heaven before that retreat was over. We loved her.&#13;
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Mother M. Claudia Glenn and Sister M. Eugenia Hileman died on the same day. I knew Sister Eugenia at Sacred Heart High School. Sister M. Claire Blakely was the Principal. Sister Eugenia was pretty much the Administrator. Sister Eugenia was in the Religion Department. She was a prim, precise, very regular kind of sister. She expected the girls to be ladies. As I think of it now, her expectations of the girls, and her own disposition matched very much some of the sisters at Seton Hill College, who were deans of women, who expected Seton Hill women to look proper, to be gentle, to be courteous, etc. Let me put a little story in here. Now, this is 1989. The other day I was coming into the house via yellow cab. The cab driver told me he had just picked up four or five girls who were student teachers at Greensburg Salem High School.&#13;
He said they were so quiet. This was at the end of the day. I said to them: "What's the matter with you girls? I thought college students were supposed to be rowdy!"&#13;
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Let me touch further on Mother M. Claudia Glenn. It was my memorable privilege to be at her bedside when she died at Assumption Hall. I had known her, not just as a Mother Superior, but also as an English teacher. I was in a couple of her classes at Seton Hill College. Then, even more personally than that, we lived on Fifth Avenue in Scottdale as afore mentioned, while the Glenns lived on Fourth Avenue. Again, although I never had to carry her suitcase, I remember her two sisters, the "Glenn girls" walking past our house with Mother Claudia. I knew Mother Claudia visited her sisters' homes frequently. Once, just once, when I was still a novice Sister Claudia was going to visit home, and I was going to visit my home. In those days, we had to have a companion. We left Seton Hill as companions, and I had the great joy of stopping off at our home all by myself, while she went on to Fourth Avenue to visit her family. It was unheard of. Sister Claudia had a companion. There were three of us. Sister Claudia has Sister M. Clementine Oler with her. They were great friends. Sister Clementine died on August 13, 1937.&#13;
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Now, I come to Sister Marie Maree Hannon, who died on August 22, 1974. Anyone who was in the Congregation in nineteen seventy-four must surely have known Maree.  She was a little bit of a whippet , I thought of her. She had charge of the chapel, not the sanctuary, but all the rest of our chapel at Seton Hill. She really took charge of it. You kept your books straight, or she straightened them for you. You kept the kneelers up or down as they she be, or she did it for you. You never left anything on the bench part of the pew that didn' t belong there, or it would disappear. I remember one morning toward the end of October when the time changes, I had forgotten to change the time. I went into chapel and there was no one there. Then I realized that I had another hour and got up too soon until up front between the pews someplace, was this little bit of a woman. She had been shining the floor. It was like an apparition. I was startled at first. Maree and I made it ahead of everyone else that morning. Now, the morning that Sister Maree died. It was August twenty-second, the feast of the Blessed Mother. Somehow, Maree made it known that she wanted to die on the feast of the Blessed Mother, and she had another wish. That was that she would never have to go to Assumption Hall. Well, Sister Maree, as was her custom walked down to the Cathedral in Greensburg for an early Mass. Habitually, she would walk down the hill. She would have been wearing a mantle and our big bonnet. Sister Maree could walk quickly down the hill, and also up the hill, which was pretty steep to the Cathedral.&#13;
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too. Sister Rose Agnes McGowan wanted to go also. I was driving. As we were leaving Seton Hill, apparently there was some message at the switchboard about an accident. We remembered later. Well, we went out and got in the car. Sure enough, when we got to the foot of the hill, we saw Sister Maree, who had been struck by a car. There were no police there yet. There was a little bit of black fabric on the street, just below the curb on the side of the tunnel. It was Sister Maree. She was crossing the street to make her way up the hill to the Cathedral. Of course, this little bit of black fabric did not move. She was dead. The driver of the car's name was Locker(his last name). I don't remember his first name. He was a Produce Manager at one of the Kroger stores. He was on his way to work. He was crushed and heart broken. In a very short time an ambulance came, and we followed it up to Westmoreland Hospital. She was declared Dead On Arrival. I mention her dying on the feast of the Blessed Mother, and her not wanting to go to Assumption Hall. Bishop Connare celebrated her funeral liturgy. I remember his homily quite well. First of all, he consoled the Lockers. Mr. Locker and his wife were there. Bishop Connare told them that they should not feel guilty. By this time they knew how quickly Sister Maree moved and that she habitually went to this early Mass. She was not looking to the side. I know Bishop Connare made the Lockers feel much better. But then Bishop Connare said that Sister Maree had achieved two great wishes in her life...one was to die on the feast of the Blessed Mother and the other was that she would not have to go to Assumption Hall. We all laughed because we knew that Sister Maree had made this quite clear.&#13;
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Now, that brings me to Sister Leocadia Mulholland, who died on August 23, 1980. I knew Sister Leocadia at Elizabeth Seton High School. She was a wonderful cook and beautiful seamstress.&#13;
Her needle work, which is framed hangs in Assumption Hall. Leocadia was a real artist with her hands...whether it was with food, or needle and thread. What's particularly amazing about it is that she had three fingers missing. When she was in the kitchen at Seton Hill, she lost these fingers in one of the machines. She continued in her work cooking and sewing. Even at Assumption Hall, she continued embroidering pillow slips, framing needle work, etc. She did the kinds of needle work that some of us could only admire, but not do. She was the housekeeper and cook at De Paul Institute when we were at Elizabeth Seton during the early years. In those early years at Seton, we had Mass in the house during the week days. We had to go up to De Paul for Sunday Mass, which was about a mile or more away for those of us who walked. Ordinarily though we went by taxi cabs. We didn't have cars in those days. Every Sunday, Sister Leocadia sent us home with pecan rolls or other goodies. She realized that we were pioneering. There was no one in our house at Seton who could begin to match her skill in the kitchen. Sister Marie Antonia McLinden was there at De Paul also. Between Sister Leocadia and Sister Marie Antonia, they were very good to us.&#13;
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That brings me to an outstanding school woman in the Community....Sister Borgia Casey. She died on August 31, 1949. Sister Borgia was supervisor of schools for a while, but I don't remember her so much as a supervisor, but as a beginning teacher. I'm going to omit saying anymore about Sister Borgia here, as Sister told about her in her own oral history.&#13;
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Immediately on my list is Sister M. Pauline Rodgers, who died on September 3, 1957. Sister Pauline was principal of St. John the Baptist School in Scottdale when I was in grade school there.	I remember her very well. She gave the appearance of being stem and quite a disciplinarian, but she was a very understanding person. I recall that three or four of us girls, who, during Lent this particular year went to the six thirty Mass every morning.	We ourselves considered that to be pretty heroic. One cold, wintry morning, we stayed around after Mass and skated right in front of the school. The school was set back on a concrete block. We had a long skating path made before we went home to get our breakfast. Well, when we got to school, Sister Pauline was looking for the young women who had made a dangerous, skating path.&#13;
Didn' t we realize that the children could fall, that they could be injured, and that this was a very risky thing for us to do? We were thinking that we were pretty holy by going to Mass at six thirty in the morning. She was quite upset about this and said that she was going to call our parents. One of the girls was my cousin Ethel, and I knew that they did not have a telephone.&#13;
The second girl was Helen Plutonic, and her mother didn't answer the phone because she didn' t speak English. I was the only one whose mother would get a phone call. When I mentioned the situation to Sister Pauline, I think she was relieved. She said: "Well then, you may go back to your classrooms. Just don' t make anymore skating paths."&#13;
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Here is Sister M. Carmelita Quigley's name coming up. During the first few years when we were pioneering at Elizabeth Seton High School, Sister Carmelita came just to be a senior sister on the mission. We knew her as a Music Professor at Seton Hill College. This was in the early pioneering days at Elizabeth Seton High School. We got to know another side of Sister Carmelita. She was so gracious. She was a perfect hostess, no matter who came. We lived in close quarters. She was not any more comfortable or better off than the rest of us, but she loved it. She was nice to the students and enjoyed whatever Music she heard during the day.&#13;
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And now, I'm still in the month of September, Sister Constantia Murphy. I think the story has gone down through the years, and this would have happened in the early nineteen thirties, when I was at Saint Stephen's in Hazelwood. Sister Constantia was the Music teacher...fue person.&#13;
Sister had a great choir there...sixth, seventh, and eighth graders. We all remember the evening we were at dinner, of course in silence when the doorbell rang. Whoever went out and answered opened the door wide. The man who was delivering something shouted: "Sister Constantinople, is this where she lives?"&#13;
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Sister Charles Regina Davis was our fourth grade teacher at St. John the Baptist School in Scottdale. I'll tell you one story about her.  The year I was in fourth grade, which was in the early twenties, the sisters changed from wearing the oil cloth cap to the silk cap. This happened at Christmas, which was understandable as Christmas was the day the sisters renewed their vows. When we came back to school after Christmas vacation, there was Sister Charles Regina in a shiny, new cap. We thought Sister Charles Regina was ancient, but there she was in this shiny, new cap, which made her look young. We had a weekly assignment every week, and that was to write about and get up and read whatever happened in the past week. Some of it we made up.&#13;
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school wearing a shiny, new cap, and it makes her look like sixteen." She accepted every bit of our complimentary talk.&#13;
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Sister Agnes Marie Reuber, who died in 1975. She too is remembered by many of the sisters. Sister Agnes Marie and another sister whom I'll mentioned later was "a black eyed German." She referred to me also as being "a black eyed German." The other sister is Sister Hildegarde Eichenlaub. I came to know Sister Agnes Marie partly when she was on the council as procuratrix at Seton Hill, but mainly when she was principal of Cathedral School in Altoona. That would have been in the late nineteen thirties. I'm omitting this next part as Sister already told about it in her oral history.&#13;
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I would like to mention Sister Jeannine Connelly, who died in 1960. I remember Jeannine when she was a student at Elizabeth Seton High School. Her Baptismal name was also Jeannine. She died as a very young sister.&#13;
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And then, that brings us to November 1, 1951 when Sister Hildegarde Eichenlaub died. Sister Hildegarde was the principal of Cathedral School in Altoona. She was the one, who sent to my eighth grade door, a girl who was a problem. She lived in a house...I cannot say it was a home. Her mother brought her to Cathedral School as a last resort. She had just been expelled from a school in Lakemont, which is just outside of Altoona, for slapping or striking a teacher. She wasn' t interested in anything we were teaching, but in no time we discovered that she was an artist. If she was missing from class, or didn' t go home, the janitor had to make sure she wasn't in one of the primary classrooms helping to decorate bulletin boards. She was wonderful. She even did a commissioned piece of art work for Bishop Guilfoyle. The story is long, so I'm just going to tell you the ending. She was in and out of the church. She had two babies at Roselia Foundling. She died five years ago in Tucson, Arizona. She died of cancer. I heard that she had just a few weeks to live. I called her. Her sister, who was in her room, answered the phone. I identified myself and asked to speak to her. She had no voice, only breath. Her last words to me were: "Sister, you don' t have to worry anymore. Everything is fixed up." I learned that she had, on her own sent for the chaplain, and received the sacraments. A day or two later, she died.&#13;
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One story about Sister Mary Hubert Metzler, who died November 3, 1975. Mary Hubert was the telephone operator at Seton Hill for a long time. She was just a frail, little person. Her bones, as I recall, broke readily. She and I shared a room at Pittsburgh Hospital many years ago. ( I couldn't understand the time she gave.) While Sister Mary Hubert was a patient, her mother died. She was bed ridden and couldn't get to the funeral. I was many years younger than Sister Mary Hubert. She was sad and prayed. I laid in my bed admiring her courage, her resignation, and her understanding of what was best for her mother.&#13;
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Sister M. Hilda Corless, who died November 9, 1967. She was our eighth grade teacher at St. John the Baptist School in Scottdale. When I say our, I'm thinking of others who were in the class, like Sister Helen Marie Haley. Sister Hilda was a perfect lady. She did not want us to use slang. Now when I say slang, I mean words like alright. ( I couldn' t understand what she was&#13;
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saying. I did pick up that Sister Hilda considered the correct response to be "Very Well."&#13;
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Sister M. Lucilla Costel, who died November 12, 1955. She was from outside (couldn't determine). It was just outside of Scottdale. She was the oldest of three or four. She used to come to the school to meet her siblings. I suppose they hiked their way home. I recall her as the sacristan or assistant sacristan at Cathedral in Altoona. She was scrupulously careful about the sacred vessels. She wanted them shined. The same was true about the vestments, all of which were used in the Cathedral. I recall one time especially that she polished beautifully a chalice that belonged to Bishop Guilfoyle. He was very unhappy about it because it was old and he loved the evidence of its page and whatever discoloration happened to be on it.	She had removed it all, and shined it up. He wasn't angry, but I recall the experience because it made me think when I see some old relic looking objects why you wouldn't want to shine them up.&#13;
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Sister Rose Vincent McNulty, who died December 3, 1968. No doubt in Sister Rose Vincent's file, there are many stories about the work she did both in administration and education. She was Sister Servant at Sacred Heart when I went there as a substitute. At any rate, she was particularly gracious and thoughtful. We were still just five year novices. There again, we saw her differently from when she was on the council as an administrator at Seton Hill. On the mission, we saw her as an interested, friendly person, not as an administrator.&#13;
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Sister M. Loyola Conrad, who died December 4, 1948. She was a dear, little second grade teacher at St. John the Baptist in Scottdale. We thought she was old, but she may not have been. She loved processions. She was in charge of any activity that the first and second grade were engaged in. She herself was little, so it was easy to be friends with Sister Loyola. I'm sure there are stories in her file about the confident teacher that she was, and of her unusual understanding of little children.&#13;
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I'm going to mention Sister Sara Marie O'Hara, who died on December 5, 1964. Her last mission was at Elizabeth Seton High School. She had multiple sclerosis. We saw her go from being a full time business teacher to being a part time (couldn't make out what she said) teacher, until she became a patient at Assumption Hall. At some stage of her illness, it was decided that she should go down to Washington DC for a week in the summertime for treatment. I was asked to go with her. I stayed at St. Anne's Orphanage with the Daughters of Charity. Sister Sara Marie, of course was with The Daughters of Charity in Emmitsburg. On July fourth, the Sister Servant, who had noticed that Sister was quite disabled suggested that we go over to Emmitsburg and spend the day with Sister Sara Marie, as she wouldn't be having any treatment that day. At that time, the Daughters in Emmitsburg, after their main meal went in procession to Mother Seton's tomb to pray for her canonization. There were about five hundred sisters in the procession. This particular day the sisters knew about Sister Sara Marie's condition. The Sister Servant had told them. The Sisters decided that the intention of the rosary that day would be for Sister Sara Marie. Now, Sister Sara Marie was able slowly to get to Mother Seton's tomb.&#13;
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Sister Sara Marie. The Sister Servant gave her a first class relic of Mother Seton, which were not too plentiful at that time. What I personally remember about the event is that Sister Sara Marie said: "I'm going to say a rosary for you every day as long as I live." I'm sure that these rosaries are still a great trust fund for me.&#13;
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Sister Mary Paul Coleman, who died December 14, 1950. Sister Mary Paul was one of our high school teachers at St. John the Baptist in Scottdale. I think there were nine ofus who were candidates of Sister Mary Paul. She was a popular high school teacher. I remember that shortly after I entered in nineteen twenty-eight, Sister Mary Paul, who I thought was pretty well up in years , celebrated her Silver Jubilee. As far as I was concerned, that confirmed the fact that she was pretty well up in years. I've changed my mind about Jubilarians being old, since some of my former students are Golden Jubilarians.&#13;
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Sister M. Victorine Ellsworth, who died on December 14, 1952. Sister Victorine was principal of both the grade and the high school at St. John the Baptist in Scottdale when I entered. She was a good principal as far as I can recall, but she was a lively, friendly, person. I know she loved Music. It was her idea that we walk out of school at dismissal every day to the accompaniment of piano music. We think of the old days as being strict and structured, but Sister Victorine put life into what otherwise would have been a routine school day.&#13;
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Now I'm moving to Sister John Baptist Curren, who died on December 28, 1989. I have just one thing to say and that was that she was my second grade teacher.&#13;
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This interview is being conducted as part of the oral history program of the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. The interviewee  is  Sister Miriam  Agnes  Regets.  The interview  is.being conducted by Sister Marie Corona Miller at Seton Hill College. The date is February twenty-fifth, nineteen eighty-eight.&#13;
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SMCM: Good Morning Sister Miriam Agnes. SMAR: Good morning.&#13;
SMCM: How are you today?&#13;
SMAR: For my age, I think I'm doing pretty well.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, I came over here this morning to talk to you about some of the significant things in your life as a Sister of Charity. You have been at Seton Hill for how many years?&#13;
SMAR: I've been here for sixty-seven years.&#13;
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SMCM: What was the date of your birth?&#13;
SMAR: I was born May twenty-fifth, nineteen hundred one. L don't remember my mother. My father married a second time.&#13;
SMCM: Where were you baptized?&#13;
SMAR: I was baptized in St. Charles Borromeo Church in Sutersville, PA. I don't know who the priest was.&#13;
SMAR: What about your father? Where did he come from?&#13;
SMAR: He came from Austria. He and his five brothers came to America. SMCM: What kind of work did your father do?&#13;
SMAR: He worked in the mines.&#13;
SMCM: Did you have any brothers or sisters?&#13;
SMAR: I had a brother whose name was Michael and a sister named Julia. Julia died from cancer, I believe. My brother was named after my father whose name was Michael. I had a half­ sister, Helen. She's still living.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, where did you go to school? SMAR: I went to grade school in Sutersville. SMCM: Was it a one room school?&#13;
SMAR: No, we had two or four rooms. I went there for grades one through eight. I wanted to go to high school but couldn't as it was too far away and there was no way to get me there. I stayed around home, but then got a job. There was a Federal Supply Company store in our area. They kept in touch with the miners. We kept a record of their earnings in order to pay their bills at the store. They would send a lot of newspaper which we put into bales for the purpose of recycling.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, how did you come in contact with the Sisters of Charity?&#13;
SMAR: At first, it was through Sister Marie Stephen and Sister Pancratius Jablonski. We used to be in the choir at St. Charles Borromeo parish. We used to teach catechism...Sr. Marie Stephen,&#13;
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Sr. Pancratius and I.	Father Lonergan became interested in us. We taught downstairs, and once in a while Father would come to see the children. I believe I came in contact with the Sisters of Charity through Sr. Marie Stephen and Sr. Pancratius who may have entered frrst and we kept in touch. They kept in touch with Father Lonergan . This was inaudible, but I believe she indicated that Father Lonergan sent some kind of communication saying that she would be suited for religious life.	Then I did make a visit out to Seton Hill. I don't remember much about the visit.&#13;
SMCM: Do you remember the names of any sister that was at Seton Hill when you visited there? SMAR: I remember Sister M. Paula Moran. There was another sister whose name I can't remember. It was such a long time ago.&#13;
SMCM: Was your father still living when you entered the community? SMAR: Yes. He died some time after I entered.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, when did you come to Seton Hill to enter?&#13;
SMAR: I don't specifically remember the year. It was either nineteen eighteen or nineteen nineteen.&#13;
SMCM: Do you remember if it was on September eighth? SMAR: Yes, it was September eighth.&#13;
SMCM: Who was the Mother Superior when you entered and who was your mistress? SMAR: Mother Mary Joseph Havey was the Mother Superior and Mother Rose Genevieve Rodgers was the Mistress of Novices.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, tell me about the sister who sponsored you. Who took care of you when you entered? You did tell me that there was one sister who helped you.&#13;
SMAR: Sister Columba Henry helped me. (Sister had a difficult time remembering anything about this.;&#13;
SMCM: Did you have classes during your postulancy?&#13;
SMAR: Yes, we had classes until I went out on mission. I don't remember much about the classes. When we went out on mission we went to school on Saturdays.&#13;
SMCM: Then, you did go out on mission after your novitiate training. Where did you go? SMAR: I don't recall where I went first. I know at some time I was in Altoona?&#13;
SMCM: Was that at the Cathedral or at Saint John's What did you teach? How long were you there?&#13;
SMAR: I believe it was at Saint John's. I taught the primary grades. I don't remember how long lwas there.&#13;
SMCM: Where else were you on mission?&#13;
SMAR: I was at Holy Cross· in Pittsburgh. I was also at St. Mary Magdalene's in Homestead. It was here in Homestead I had a bad physical experience. I was walking with Sister M. Paula Moran to her home. As we were passing a fence, there was a dog behind the fence who began to bark. He sounded so angry that I thought he would tear us apart. Whether it was that which affected me, I don't know, but that night I couldn't breathe. I had a bad headache. I called to the sisters for help saying: "I can't breathe. I feel like I'm going to die!"Some of our sisters were there. She seemed to be trying to mention some of the sisters' names...! believe one was Sister&#13;
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Richard Marie Greeley, and Sister Agnes (the one in charge, possibly Sr. Agnes Marie Reuber?) The first thing in the morning , I was put in the room next to the chapel. From there I was sent to Pittsburgh Hospital. After a time in the hospital, I was asked if my mother told me that I was a blue baby. I said that my mother died when I was three years old, so therefore I don't remember.&#13;
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sisters in bed for eight years. I said: "He's not going to keep me in bed that long!" From.there , I&#13;
was sent to Provident hospital in Beaver Falls. There I had Doctor Wilson. I came back via ambulance with Sister M. Marcella Renninger to Pittsburgh hospital. After my stay at the hospital, I came back to Seton Hill.&#13;
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SMCM: So, have you been at Seton Hill ever since you came back.from the hospital? SMAR: Yes, I think so. That was in nineteen thirty-two.&#13;
SMCM: By this time, had you made your vows? SMAR: Oh, yes.&#13;
SMCM: What did you do at the Hill when you first came?&#13;
SMAR: Whatever we were given to do. I just don' t remember what. Whenever I came from the hospital, I was put in the Infirmary. I thought that just the old sisters were there. I said to Mother Evaline Fisher, who was the Mother Superior	" Mother, I don't think I can stay in the&#13;
Infirmary. lfl could just have something to do, it would help me." She said: "Alright, Sister, we' ll find something." She came the next day and said that they thought I could work at the switchboard. The time I was given was increased gradually.&#13;
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SMCM: Could you tell us where the switchboard was first located?&#13;
SMAR: Yes, it was down in a room on the first floor next to the lobby. It had been in the lobby, but they had it moved into the room which was to the left of the lobby. Sometime later, it was · moved into the room which had been known as the "Tea Room." One time, during a bad storm, lightening hit the wires and I was thrown. I had been putting a call through for Mother M. Claudia Glenn. I was able to put the call through after this incident.&#13;
SMCM: So, you were at the phone for many hours then?&#13;
SMAR: Well, my hours kept increasing and many times I had to fill in for someone who couldn' t take their place. Then of course Mrs. Bortz came. Dolores (I think her name was Daily) also came. The board was open day and night. That's why we had to have additional people.&#13;
SMCM: You got to. know many people during your hours at the switchboard, didn' t you? SMAR: Oh, yes. You got to know them, where to get them, and all that kind of thing. Even now, I remember how when cars would be parked out front, we would get a call from Frank Baker or Bernard Baumeister, two of our men who worked for us, telling us to have people move their cars. I think there were pipes underneath that pavement, and they might have been worried about a cave-in.&#13;
SMCM: About how many years were you at the switchboard?&#13;
SMAR: /Siste r rambled here) She said: " Well, I was in the community  for fifty years; and some of my friends told me it was time for me to let the younger people take care of the switchboard, meaning Mrs. Bortz and Dolores Daily.  Assumption  Hall opened  and I thought  it would  be good if I offered to take a few hours of the day there and perhaps save a little if they had to pay&#13;
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SMCM: Did you move to Assumption Hall then?&#13;
SMAR: No, I stayed at Seton Hill and traveled back and forth daily. SMCM: How many years did you go back and forth to Assumption Hall?&#13;
SMAR: Not too many, because I think that something happened so that I couldn't go there. SMCM: In those days we had the call bell system. Do you have any stories that you want to share about that?&#13;
SMAR: Oh my, yes. That was really something. I remember Sister Mildred Corvi. She went to the college. Then she entered the community.&#13;
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SMCM: Do you remember anything about any of the older sisters who were around during your time at Seton Hill?&#13;
Sr. Marie Arthur:(Sister just seemed to ramble here.	The questions Sr. Marie Corona asked Sr. Miriam Agnes were too difficult for her to answer because of having poor memory.)&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, how do you like the changes that were made in living in small groups at Seton Hill. Did you like the changes?&#13;
SMAR: Well, you have to keep up with the times. The sisters were good about informing each other about what you needed to know.&#13;
SMCM: Do you think you have adjusted well to these changes? SMAR: Oh, yes. We have to put up with each other.&#13;
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SMCM: How do you like the changes made in our prayer, specifically saying the Office? SMAR: We have the books. Again, we have to go along with whatever changes are needed as time goes on. One has to be open and resigned to whatever happens.&#13;
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SMCM: Sister, you were telling me about Sister Mary Matthew Con&amp;lly. What exactly did she do here at the college?&#13;
SMAR:(I wasn't able to make any sense out of what Sister Miriam Agnes was saying here. She is very confused!)&#13;
SMCM: Sister asked again just what Sr. Mary Matthew was in charge of.&#13;
SMAR: Here, Sister does say that Sr. Mary Matthew was in charge of the employees and anything else that needed to be taken care of. Sister also said that something happened to Sr. Mary Matthew. She wasn't sure just what that was. However, she then said that Sister Rose Agnes McGowan took Sr. Mary Matthew's duties over.&#13;
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SMCM: Can you tell us anything that you remember about Sr. Rose Agnes? .&#13;
SMAR: She was wonderful to live with. She was on the job all the time. She never answered her bell, because she had to be outside so much.&#13;
SMCM: Didn't Sr. Rose Agnes have to sign out at the switchboard?&#13;
SMAR: Oh. Yes. She didn't always remember because she had so many things to do. It wasn't easy to find her!&#13;
SMCM: Sister, how long do you plan on staying at Seton Hill?&#13;
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SMAR: I don't know. They gave me a heart pacer. The Doctor gave me two years to live when I came to Seton Hill in nineteen thirty-two.	I'm eighty-six years old. I'll be eighty-seven in May. I'm concerned about how much it cost to give me a pace maker. Sr. Mary Paul Coleman sends me things periodically, which I give to Sister Rose Irene Boggs, who is our treasurer. I said: "I think I'm spending too much money for this business on an old hag like me." I want to keep my prayers up for the community, the missions, priests, etc.&#13;
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SMCM: Is there anything else you would like to tell me about your history?&#13;
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SMC : I don't know that I have a good history. The Lord has been keeping me here for something. Mother Seton also is watching over me in the Community.&#13;
SMCM: What do you hope for the Community in the future?&#13;
SMAR: I hope of course that we will continue. Assumption Hall is wonderful. The Sisters there pray hard for the Community. That's where I landed after being at Seton Hill.&#13;
SMCM: So, you are really a part of the wonderful ffeyer and good works that are being done at Assumption Hall?	"&#13;
SMAR: Oh my, yes. We have to keep up the prayers, because after all, we can't do it ourselves. The Lord has to help us.&#13;
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SMCM: I want to sincerely thank you for giving your time to me for your oral history. It will certainly add to the history of the Community, and the tape will be kept in the Archives of the Community at Caritas Christi.&#13;
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SMAH: I completed the transcription of this tape on the oral history of Sr. Miriam Agnes Regets on September 17, 2012.&#13;
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41-1 Sisters Harriet and Corinne Omlor&#13;
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The following interview is being conducted for an Oral History project sponsored by the Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill. The interviewees are Sisters Harriet and Corinne Omlor. The interviewer is Sister James Marie Malone. The date is March twenty-fow-th, nineteen eighty­ fow-. We are in St. John Evangelist Convent in Tucson, Arizona. These two Sisters will combine their responses as their life experiences have been so interwoven.&#13;
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SJMM: Sister Corinne, could you give me an example of yow- togetherness?&#13;
SCO: Yes, Sister Harriet was born in nineteen Hundred Five, and I in nineteen Hundred Six. Sr. Harriet was born on April twenty-third, which was Easter Sunday, and I on May twenty-fourth, Ascension Thw-sday. Since we had very few Catholics in our home town of Waynesburg, Pennsylvania, no parochial schools were available, so we were instructed by our parents. Our mother' s Sister was a St. Joseph Sister from Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia. In all her letters, especially when we were teenagers, she mentioned many times how one could become a Sister. I really think that was our intention when we petitioned. However, Sr. Harriet went to Seton Hill College, and was greatly influenced by the Sisters, particularly with Sister Carmelita Quigley.&#13;
After her Freshman year, we both petitioned. I was sponsored by Sr. Miriam Francis Cunningham, who was a good friend of our mother. We keep in touch with our Protestant friends who claim we broaden their views on the Catholic Church. We were advised to enter on September sixth to be near the head of the group. We never really understood this reason. We left on Sunday, and when we were a few blocks from home, I realized that I didn't have my violin. Upon entering the house on our return, I found our mother crying. Later we realized what a great sacrifice our parents had made.&#13;
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SJMM: Sr. Corinne, would you like to tell about some of the Missions you were on?&#13;
SCO: My first Mission was Holy Innocents in Sheraden. Some of the people I taught there have always kept in touch with me. The second Mission was at St. Stephen' s in Hazelwood. How well I remember that event, for we both had fifth grade. Our fine Principal was Sister Borgio Casey. She was great for having contests between our two classes. I spent a year and a half at Immaculate Conception in Irwin, nine years between Altoona and Johnstown, seventeen years at Resurrection, one year at Sacred Heart, three years and a Summer at St. Jane de Chantal in Bethesda, Maryland, a year at St. John Evangelist in South Side, and finally. my last year 1980 at Cathedral in Greensburg.&#13;
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SJMM: Sister Harriet, Would you tell us about the House of Mary?&#13;
SHO: I was teaching Music at St. Benedict's (now Cathedral) in Greensburg. Every weekend I rode the bus in to Pittsburgh to help at the House of Mary. I stayed with Sister Cyril Aaron and Sister Angelica Little at Roselia Foundling. All the Sisters were very kind to us. It entailed much walking and it seemed that every family we visited lived on the top floor. After being out on Saturday, we were really tired. The huckster would bring vegetables for us to give or sell to the poor. We would start out again, regardless of the time of day. Sister Angelica Little was an example of great endurance in aiding these people. Policemen wouldn't be seen on some of the&#13;
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streets where we visited people because they were too dangerous.	After the house was ready for us to live in, I stayed there for two Summers. Sister Cyril wanted me to stay for the year, but Mother M. Claudia Glenn said that I was to return to Greensburg to teach Music at St.&#13;
Benedict's.&#13;
SJMM: Sister Harriet, when you talked about teaching Music at St. Benedict' s, what were the living conditions at that time because the parish did not provide a convent for the faculty teaching there?&#13;
SHO: Mr. Cramer, the Undertaker, came for us early in the morning at Seton Hill and came back after school and took us back. I was still at the school.	One Sister waited for me until six&#13;
o' clock PM. The truck driver from Seton Hill came for us an-d drove us home. These were hard times. The days were long. Many of the prayers which were said during the day were said at night. Our maintenance man would drive to Seton Hill at Noon to get our basket of food which was prepared by the kitchen employees at Seton Hill.&#13;
SJMM: Sister Harriet, would you like to mention your other Eastern Missions?&#13;
SHO: Sister Corinne and I were stationed at Resurrection in Brookline together. We got interested in teaching classes there. Two years that we spent in Washington, DC, in Workshops gave us an opportunity to visit Washington. After teaching Music at Resurrection, Mother Claudia Glenn assigned each of us to a second grade when the Missions were announced in Cecilian Hall. From that time on we have been in the classroom. When I was Sister Servant and Principal at St. Bruno's in Greensburg for three years, I developed Sclera Derma. The last year, I was limping quite a bit, and Sister Mary Donald Cusick came to supervise At Noon, she went to Assumption and returned with a wheel chair. All the children enjoyed wheeling me from class to class and many times were breaking the speed limit! The Parishioners were very attentive in transporting me back and forth between the school and the convent. At the end of the third year, I asked to go West, and was sent to the Casa Elizabeth Seton in Tucson, Arizona...the only year I was off duty. Sister Mary Inez Clark and the other Sisters were very good to me. The next year, nineteen sixty-seven, I went to Chandler, and have been there ever since.&#13;
SJMM: (I couldn' t clearly hear this question). I'm sure though that she was asking Sr. Corinne about going West.&#13;
SCO: Since it was a difficult time for Sister Harriet, Mother Victoria Brown gave me permission to go to St. Teresa' s in Phoenix. It was in August and was extremely hot. It was in nineteen sixty-seven. I was fortunate to have Sister Macaria Nestor as Sister Servant. She wanted me to see so many beautiful sights. I spent four years there teaching the fourth grade. I left St. Teresa' s in nineteen seventy-five and came to St. Mary' s in Chandler where we celebrated our Fiftieth Jubilee. I taught fourth grade for several years, and then part time teaching Religion because the teacher was not a Catholic. I am now in the Library assisting Sr. Harriet and enjoying it immensely. I play the violin at the nine o'clock Mass on Sundays.&#13;
SJMM: Sr. Corinne, it's a good thing that you came to share your talents with the children. SCO: Yes, I'm happy to be using my talents in the service of the Lord. We both now are semi retired. We don't receive a salary. Since we have more time of our own, we are Eucharistic Ministers...give Communion to the Sick, and visit the lonely.&#13;
SJMM: Sr. Harriet and Sr. Corinne, I realize that there have been others who have had Sisters in&#13;
the Community, who have become Sisters of Charity on the same day, but I doubt that there have&#13;
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eee t-nm-thet: ha-ve been others who have lived their lives so closely together. Thank you, and may God continue to bless both of you.&#13;
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Sr. Marie Arthur Hamilton: I completed the transcription of this oral history of Sisters Harriet and Corinne Omlor on Thursday, January thirty-frrst, two thousand thirteen...2013&#13;
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